• myrmidex
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    It was never a union of cultures. It started as an economic union of Coal and Steel…

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      it was a union of cultures on the level of ordinary citizens, when Schengen opened internal borders and we were no longer required to ask for work permits to move between countries. The leaders have always been corrupt pieces of human garbage, as I have to admit in hindsight.

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        Schengen is about free movement of goods and workers. You might infer cultures from there, but as soon as that culture is Syrian or Afghan, there is pushback, so I’m not sure a union of cultures actually exists here… Perhaps for a very limited subset of cultures, but I’m not sure that’s something to be proud of, as that smells more of fascism than inclusion.

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          Did I say I was proud of it? Pride is for fuckheads. I was happy to live in a European community for a while, and now I am ashamed of this “fortress Europe” full of police states and xenophobic populists. Obviously, cultures that were not present in the union in those days were not part of the union. Nowadays, they are, but the union has been fucked up.

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            I hadn’t meant to accuse you of pride, it was a poorly chosen term to indicate whether ‘union of a limited subset of cultures’ is a positive thing (= something to be proud of). I had no idea it would cause offense.

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              A mix of any subset of cultures is a net positive compared to isolation from “others”. It’s impossible to jump straight from isolation to one big happy family world-wide. A “subset” that you seem to consider worthy of criticism is a necessary step towards a better future.

              And I do take offense when people insinuate that I am proud of anything but my very own accomplishments, because pride in something you had no part in (e.g. patriotism) is among the most moronic sentiments mankind ever came up with.