• JuxtaposedJaguar@lemmy.ml
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    19 days ago

    Looking at the photos, there’s barely any difference. If the bombs can go deep enough to damage the facility, shouldn’t we see exposed sections?

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    20 days ago

    Fuck. This. Man. Impeach him. Jail him. Deport him. I don’t care just fucking get him out of politics.

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      19 days ago

      On this matter, trump Kamala Biden Hillary they will all do the same thing.

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      Edit: downvote as you like. My point was he might get jailed for many reasons, supporting Israel’s genocide and war is likely not one of them. Most recent US politician has been doing pretty much the same thing. 🤷‍♀️

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        20 days ago

        Screeching “bOtH SiDeS” while we literally watch only one side, only 1 president do this. Wow, you’re definitely not indoctrinated…

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        20 days ago

        The only person in your list that started a war without congressional approval was tronald dump. So do us all a favor and shut the fuck up.

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          19 days ago

          It’s kind of funny to watch the downvotes and the comments though. It’s like a “our hivemind is better than your hivemind” situation.

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              19 days ago

              You’re saying there is no unifying, collective sentiment on this community against anything to do with Trump or MAGA people? You’re saying that people who favor Trump are welcome here? That there is even room for discussion?

              I’m saying there’s a definite hivemind on this community. It’s objectively better than the MAGA hivemind, of course, it’s barely comparable. But it’s funny to see it unfold in a thread like this. In a sad kind of way though, a way where it shows that the country is entirely black and white and polarized to the brink of civil war.

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                19 days ago

                People in general will be happy if their friend gets promoted at work, but sad if they get hit by a bus. Is this a hivemind mentality? Or just the result of people having thoughts and emotions and values and ya know being people.

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                  19 days ago

                  Your example doesn’t relate to my comment at all. You’re comparing apples and oranges

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    20 days ago

    I hope the bunker-buster bombs worked. Whether the costs of war are worth paying in order to destroy Iran’s nuclear program is debatable, but they’re definitely paid in vain if the program survives.

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      Yeah. If they didn’t manage to really destroy the material base of the program, Iran wil get nukes and the world’s opinion could also shift in Iran’s favour. Especially if they now act with restraint and hit all the legal avenues to say how they got harmed without justification.

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        I don’t think that Iran is going to get much useful sympathy from any country not already on its side (and of those, Russia has other priorities). Iran’s ambitions have put it at odds with both Western countries and the Arab world and international law (even if it is on Iran’s side - I don’t know) is never going to lead countries to act against the dictates of realpolitik.

        I also don’t think that failing to destroy these facilities necessarily makes a nuclear-armed Iran inevitable, given that Israel and the USA apparently have total air dominance. The infrastructure needed to deploy nuclear ICBMs can’t all be kept deep underground and Iran’s dependence on oil exports makes its economy particularly vulnerable to strategic bombing. I just don’t trust Trump to see things through if his initial attempts fail - he’s too impulsive. (And I’m not sure the moral calculus remains the same either - it’s one thing to blow up a few underground weapons labs and quite another to engage in a strategic bombing campaign against the entire country.)

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          If anything, Israel and the US have clearly showed Iran that they will never be safe unless they develop military capabilities strong enough to deter attacks.

          Like… what kind of message do you think you’re sending when you attack a country trying to develop nukes because they see you as an existential threat? Iran has been shown that the only way they will ever be safe from Israel is by developing nukes such that Israel doesn’t dare attack them.

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            The intent is presumably to force Iran to accept that it cannot be safe, and that the best it can do is to appease its enemies. That is, as a matter of fact, currently true if the USA decides to see things through. It’s a situation that many countries have been forced to accept over the course of history (and one that Iran has been eager to impose on is neighbors).