Turns out all you need is a Supreme Court majority on your side and you can wipe your ass with the Constitution.

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    That’s funny, because I say I can shoot someone for an armed unlawful entry. So either the law is on my side, or the laws are illegitimate and are irrelevant anyway. I guess we’ll just have to disagree.

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    The Nazis ruled Germany for 12 years. The Gestapo believed that they were untouchable. In the end, the leader was dead by suicide, the senior officers tried and executed, the junior officers hunted, tried, convicted, and executed, imprisoned or murdered, and those who weren’t caught were hunted and on the run for the rest of their lives until they were dead.

    I’m just saying.

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      and those who weren’t caught were hunted and on the run for the rest of their lives until they were dead.

      this is actually untrue in some cases. Some really made the getaway to Latin America and literally got away with it.

      Josef Mengele is the worst for multiple reasons. He got married under his own name, WENT BACK TO GERMANY UNDER HIS REAL PASSPORT IN HIS REAL NAME ON HOLIDAY AND RETURNED, and died in a swimming accident after a normal lifespan.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengele#In_South_America

      Mengele worked as a carpenter in Buenos Aires while lodging in a boarding house in the suburb of Vicente López.[95] After a few weeks, he moved to the house of a Nazi sympathizer in the neighborhood of Florida Este. He next worked as a salesman for his family’s farm equipment company, Karl Mengele & Sons, and in 1951, he began making frequent trips to Paraguay as a regional sales representative for the firm.[96] He moved into an apartment in central Buenos Aires in 1953, used family funds to buy a part interest in a carpentry concern, and then rented a house in the suburb of Olivos in 1954

      After obtaining a copy of his birth certificate through the West German embassy in 1956, Mengele was issued an Argentine foreign residence permit under his real name. He used this document to obtain a West German passport using his real name and embarked on a trip to Europe.[99][100] He met with his son Rolf (who was told Mengele was his “Uncle Fritz”)[101] and his widowed sister-in-law Martha for a ski holiday in Switzerland. He also spent a week in his home town of Günzburg.[102][103] When he returned to Argentina in September 1956, Mengele applied for and received an Argentinian identity card under the name José Mengele, a variation of his real name

      Martha and her son Karl Heinz followed about a month later, and the three began living together. Josef and Martha were married in 1958 while on holiday in Uruguay, and they bought a house in Buenos Aires

      Rolf, who had not seen his father since the ski holiday in 1956, visited him at the bungalow in 1977; he found an “unrepentant Nazi” who claimed he had never personally harmed anyone and only carried out his duties as an officer.[138]

      On 7 February 1979, while visiting his friends Wolfram and Liselotte Bossert in the coastal resort of Bertioga,[140] Mengele had a second stroke while swimming and drowned.

      Just to remind you, this is Josef “The angel of death” Mengele, who experimented on human beings for funsies and just to see what would happen. The guy that Slayer wrote their biggest hit around. This prick got away with it all, learnt nothing, had no shame AND WENT BACK TO GERMANY ON HOLIDAY.

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        Is RFK Mengele in this scenario? Do you think there are many rocket scientists working for ICE? Are Trump’s cabinet members political elites?

        The Trump regime is a pedofascist kleptocratic idiocracy. ICE are the prison camp guards who were hunted relentlessly until they were caught or dead.

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        And most adminaristive people on the political side just continued to rule. There are plenty of German politicians today those parents or mentors were prominent collaborators.

        If this goes historically barely anyone in power will be held responsible.

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        Plenty also ended up as politicians in West Germany or running NATO.

        Denazification was a myth. Priorities shifted to dealing with the Soviets after WWII.

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          It was just impossible to implement, also people able to run the country were needed when it was in rubble.

          Anyone who had any kind of meaningful job had to enlist with the nazi party.

          If Trump required enlistment in a Maga party to work in the US, what do you think people would do?

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      In the DDR maybe. In the west they were so on the run that they ran themselves into being NATO’s chief staff officer, working for the US, getting into politics or just dicking around in South America.

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        Which of the people in the Trump regime do you think are at the same intellectual level? Rocket scientists? Brilliant physicians?

        The Nazi elite were evil geniuses. The Trumpers are just evil.

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    Fight back! But consider:

    1. Why do they want direct violence with their thugs?
    2. Direct violence with ICE leads to direct violence with police, MAGA civi-thugs and military.
    3. Would MAGA base have the same violent and visceral reaction if violent events happened to wealthy folks whom they probably never heard of who live in disconnected realities from their own??? A thought tickles my mind that maybe they would not. Maybe it’s a pathway…
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    Can’t wait for dems to retake power eventually and do absolutely nothing to prosecute these criminals. ‘We have to promote unity to heal the divide.’

    If the dems were worth a damn they would be loudly shouting from the rooftops ‘when we control the levers of power you will be held accountable for violating the constitution’

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      Agreed. We should commandeer it wherever we can for the immediate term, but we should ultimately leave the Democratic Party in the waste bin of history.

      1. They don’t represent us.
      2. They stood by while fascism took root, then welcomed them in with a smooth transition.
      3. Their name in itself is poisoned. There are folks who would have a much easier time separating themselves from their crazy peers if they had realistic options other than Democrats. The name is literally connected to everything evil by way of propaganda.

      Let Schumer and Jeffries know that they are cunts, and will always be remembered as Democratic Cunts, the party that bent over for fascism.

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    What about this memo that says they can’t? It also states we can bear arms to protect ourselves from tyranny so… check mate Nazis

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      They clearly abandoned their oaths at all levels, so that document doesn’t mean anything anymore if everybody willfully ignores it daily. At that point, it’s just ink on a paper that is just barley better than a spill.

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    "ICE says its officers can forcibly enter homes . . . "

    I’ve got a gun that says they can’t.

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      THEY say they can…the law and the constitution says they can’t. Honestly, it is going to take some bad encounters for they to realize they are wrong, and when the encounters go bad, the dictator will mobilize other options he is trying to use.

      It is a Rittenhouse strategy. Premeditated self-defense on a national scale.

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      They got more that says, “Wanna bet?” I mean, I’d want to see that, for sure. That first step is easy and obvious. It’s the second that is confusing.

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      Its not, but if you are going to Home Alone a bunch of ICE agents illegally entering your house, please record that shit. If its funny enough the jury will absolutely not convict you.

      Imagine those fucks stepping on toy cars and sliding down a stairwell or being hit with powdered sugar and then set on fire.

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        Now I want to see a version of Home Alone where it’s ICE and all the traps are as deadly as they would be in real life.

        There would be piles of bodies around the McCallister house. I wonder if Mac Culkin is busy these days

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      No, that’s illegal. But AFAIK in all states you can wait inside your door with a shotgun and blast anyone who breaks into your home illegally.

      Better yet, you have the constitutional right to organize 30 or your neighbors to use guns to protect each other from marauding thugs.

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        Is it still considered a booty trap if it’s activated by an evil AI AI programmed to follow castle doctrine?

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    They will absolutely come for the guns next. Once the population is disarmed the civil war will begin. Martial law. Police state. No privacy protections. All amendments abolished. Civil rights act abolished. Military checkpoints at all state borders. Reinstated draft. 10% inflation. 20% unemployment. Reeducation centers. Prison work camps. State takeover of media. Iron curtain. Restricted Internet.

    This year. Get out while the borders are open.

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      Get out

      And will you run from the country you go to and leave it to fend for itself, too?

      Why can’t you people stand for something other than yourselves? It starts with voting, if you get the chance.

      Just do your duty you lazy, lazy shits. Fucking vote, if you get a chance again. In the meantime stay home, peacefully shut production down which is now your only option, and don’t let this shit happen again.

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          Here we go, fucking excuses again, touched with an insult this time.

          You douche rocketeer, how the fuck do you think Republicans have gained so much control over several elections? Because they voted. They didn’t piss and moan like you, they voted.

          It’s no fucking coup you clown, the citizens voted them in and they’re now doubling down on fascism. They didn’t coup it, they were handed it on a platter. Over several elections as well.

          You have no excuses. Stop pissing and moaning. Now it’s a national shutdown or you’re fucked. Try the easy way next time, goose.

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            I’m not talking about the Republicans that were voted for. I’m talking about who they are now becoming. This is very obviously a coordinated effort to change the foundations of our system into something it’s not.

            I apologize for the insult. That was not cool.

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              This was very obviously a coordinated…

              Which we all knew about, the whole world knew.

              The US citizenry has had ample chances among several warnings, including a trial run, to fix this. They never turn out in enough numbers to make any difference. In 2016 you were telling people who were telling you to vote to mind their own business and it was a right not to vote.

              The Republicans were always the same. They haven’t changed, there’s just no mask now.

              That’s okay, I swung a couple back which I guess I shouldn’t have either.

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        And will you run from the country you go to and leave it to fend for itself, too?

        China is unlikely to want non-citizens fighting, Vietnam is staying neutral, Japan and Korea are going to be on the wrong side.

        IG if I somehow end up in South America I’d do what I can.

        Europe would probably deport me to get drafted by the guys they’re fighting like they do Russians.

        I can’t think of any other places I might end up.

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      Don’t got the money for that. My best option is to fight, provided the people of my state are also willing to die for a better future.

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        Prisoners are profitable and will only become increasingly profitable as they start using them as slave labor, which is specifically allowed under the Constitution. Only chattle slavery was abolished. When they are no longer subject to being voted out of office there is every incentive in the world to arrest people.

        So new executive order: we gotta stop all the school shootings therefore all guns are illegal. Gun owners will be required to turn in their weapons in exchange for a pennies on the dollar buyback. These weapons will then be sold by the government to who the fuck knows. This will be followed by a house to house compliance check where you either produce your receipt or submit to a warrantless search. Anyone caught with a weapon will be sent to a prison work camp making iPhones and drones. Simple as that.

        Oh you want to fight back? Bueno, now you’re a terrorist. This justifies further military presence in your town and seizure of all of your assets. You will be lucky if your family isn’t required to pay upfront for your prison stay.

        I am not being naive. I am being real. I am an American but I was not educated in the American school system. I understand what is happening because it has happened a thousand times to a thousand other countries. There is a standard operation of events and we are following a textbook march into dictatorship.

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            We are witnessing an administration who does not consider themselves to be bound by established laws and norms. We are watching our constitutional rights being eroded one by one in real time. Do you think he will ever say “oh man I would love to do something but it would be illegal if I did”. Who is being naive now?

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      Other than the black Panthers ain’t nobody already with guns doing anything right now.