I hear fire melts ICE
Bullets make them holy.
I wholely believe that they think that. I believe they should be shot instead of the ones shooting
“I’ll touch your dick if you take a hit of this vape”
TFW the party’s mage casts fireball in a small room…
You say that as if casting fireball is ever a bad idea.
Best to avoid at the gas station.
Agree to disagree.
Because there is no way this could go wrong
I can be trusted with this, I promise
None of us can be trusted to act responsible with a personal fire thrower.
ehm… aliexpress link? … for science?..
Not sure that’s an acceptable level of violence for pervertry but who am I to get in the way of women’s violent fantasies?
There is no level of violence unacceptable for self defense against sexual assault. Keep your hands to yourself.
Disagree. Lighting someone on fire for the lowest form of sexual assault is not okay.
We’ll have to agree to disagree then. If you don’t want to catch fire, don’t sexually assault people.
Somehow I’ve managed to live nearly 3 decades without sexually assaulting anyone. You can do it too! I believe in you!
Nice that you simply assume I sexually assault people. If that’s the kind of thinking you do, I’m not surprised you enjoy violence.
Nice that you took a broad statement about sexual assault to be a personal attack directed specifically at yourself.
Why would you be so defensive about people saying they like the concept of immolating rapists, even as a joke?
Oh look, it’s you again. Go ahead, have your cookie of a last word.
Answer the question, you dodgy cuntchy.
Edit: Also, does my mere presence silence you now? That’s fuckin’ awesome!
Ok then, you are no longer entitled to self-defence. Too bad I can’t just cast summon groppists on you.
If you can’t burn people alive then you can’t have self-defense?
Alright. Let’s do this. I’ll bite.
So first thing’s first, this article is clearly click bait and no, the Chinese government isn’t going to start encouraging or even allowing women to simply carry flamethrowers and open fire on any threat like it’s nothing. So let’s start by establishing that we are arguing hypotheticals here over a clearly click bait article.
However, the point of self defence isn’t to provide an equivalent punishment to the crime committed, but to allow someone to use violence preemptively against an aggressor to stay safe. You don’t practice self defense after you get raped, but hopefully before you do.
This opens the door to many difficult and vague situations where it’s hard to tell whether an act was justified or not, but that doesn’t mean that burning someone is necessarily in any way less justifiable than shooting them or stabbing them etc.
So in this hypothetical scenario, the question isn’t whether burning someone is equivalent to being sexually harassed, because that’s not the type of situation that self defence is meant to be used in. It’s not equivalent but rather preemptive.
So we are now asking the question: are women entitled to self defence against sexual harassment? And I’d guess the answer probably lies in the middle of “yes every time” and “never” because no one should get raped for lack of self defence avenues, but also I don’t think someone should get burnt to death for cat calling someone else, no matter how inappropriate I may think it is.
However, if a woman (honestly, any SA victim, not just women) gets touched inappropriately and feels threatened, I think it’s fair to allow her to preemptively attack. So I’d say you can’t argue self defence without the presence of a physical threat. And even then, self defence obviously needs to be clearly outlined to minimise the likelihood of unjustified attacks.
That being said, this is both obviously clickbait and also a terrible idea simply because of how much uncontrolled collateral damage a flamethrower can do to others, structures and even first responders. So yeah, it’s a dumb idea. But I don’t think that’s because sexual assault is not a basis for self defence, rather because flamethrowers are extraordinarily unsafe weapons for everyone involved.
A cattle stunner will do, less collateral.
Great response. I agree.
EVERY TIME ANYTHING WOMAN RELATED COMES UP IN THE FEED, HERE YOU ARE ACTING IT OUT, EVERY. FUCKING. TIME. HOLY HELL WHAT DO YOU HAVE AGAINST WOMEN? I NEED TO KNOW. WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU?
For full context I have that user tagged as “incel” I don’t specifically remember why, but sure as shit seems accurate.
Where do I download this?
Not wanting to encourage people lighting other human beings on fire, if they decided the victim is an incel, means I hate women? Your worldview is unhinged. Maybe see someone about your violent fantasies.
You’re against those dick traps that rapists have to get removed at hospitals, too, huh?
Do you think rapists and incels are the same thing?
No, but you obviously do considering your reaction to what is blatantly a joke post.
Why did you decide an anti-rape/self defense device would be targeted at you enough to have such a strong negative reaction to it?
Yes or no? Any other answer will be interpreted as a yes. Are you concerned about getting set on fire with a device intended to hurt rapists in a self defense scenario?
Edit: Also still curious about your stance on dick traps.
I don’t consider this a personal attack. Do you not ever consider things from the perspective of others, or the health of your community, or call out behaviors that are concerning even if they don’t impact you personally?
Yeah, that’s exactly why I support the idea of immolating rapists. If you’re willing to accept people getting raped as collateral for your personal safety then why is it wrong for anyone to think the same of handsy creeps in the same way?
Also, that was a very strong yes.
Edit: The crickets on the dick thing is also a very strong yes.
Oh no, wont anybody think of the sex criminals just minding their own business harrassing women.
To be fair, I would very much encourage people to use knives or even guns for self defence before flamethrowers that can cause tons of collateral damage. Fire isn’t exactly something you can direct super clinically at someone without it also spreading everywhere.
Harassment is not justification for burning someone alive. You sound like a republican.
You sound like somebody that harasses women.
Edit: Not even being hyperbolic. You really are giving off those vibes fucking hard.
You sound like a republican.
You sound like someone who harasses women and needs new material.
Is that all you’re capable of? Insulting me over and over?
No, but you’re making it as easy as it is fun. All you have to do is stop responding and let me win.
Are your concerns for others or yourself?
For a society that encourages each other to light people on fire if they decide they’re an incel.
I mean a society that lights incels, would probably also expand that torchability to other groups rather quickly. And then people like the one above cry because nobody could have Seen THAT coming.
Mobs with torches tend to do very bad things when wrapped in righteousness.
Tell that to John Brown.
So, yourself.
Must be easy to keep your worldview when you refuse to see anything outside of it.
Oh my god, holy shit, that is genuinely fucking hilarious! You’re being earnest, aren’t you? Oh my god, I love it. You’re like the human equivalent of a Neil Breen movie. You wouldn’t work as a written character, they’d say you’re too unrealistic and two dimensional. Keep going, say more shit like that. You’re actively redefining comedy, and I’m here for it.
Perhaps you having to interpret reality through the lense of fiction is part of why you want to justify burning people alive. Life isn’t a storybook or a tv show. Go touch some grass.
YES! Just like that! More! MORE! I can’t get enough of you, mon ami! You. Are. ART!
You can’t talk to women, you can’t touch women, they have a right to flamethrower you if you try. Deal with it.
I kind of get it. It looks a little bit scary so you flash it and some intrusive guy should get the message and fuck of. Probably as effective as spring knife would be but more fancy looking. As an actual self defense weapon it would be useless. I would be easy to close the distance fast and knock it out. I guess this is part of the appeal. It looks scary but is not really that dangerous. Knife would be a better weapon but that’s exactly you don’t want to carry a knife around. It turns any fight in a life or death situation while a big lighter like this is just a prop. Anyway, just get some pepper spray.
To add on about using a knife for defense that you lightly touched.
You never want to be in a knife fight. Nobody wins in a knife fight. Especially if it’s a pocket knife.
I have a bright neon orange & green bush/field/combat knife that I take with me when I go camping. It’s largely a tool for managing my camp, but I have practiced defensive fighting with it, but I am no knife fighting expert. I see it as a last-ditch effort of defense against a wild animal or human where my life is already on the line. And wearing it on my hip around camp advertises “this person is armed” to any human that has ill intent that comes across my camp during daylight hours. I’d still rather grab my walking stick for a good head bonking and sternum busting, and I would do my best to do that before pulling the knife for defensive combat use.
So, to be abundantly clear. There are no winners in a knife fight. The “winner” goes to the hospital.
In a knife fight, the winner gets to die in the ambulance.
You never want to be in a knife fight. Nobody wins in a knife fight. Especially if it’s a pocket knife.
oh, absolutely. My swiss knife serves its purpose in the kitchen or in the house. I don’t carry these things around.
One of my lady friends practiced butterfly knife tricks for years just to intimidate creeps. I’m a little scared myself when I watch her play with them.
How about an overpowered green laser to the face?
also illegal, but did you know that you can use IR (not visible to the human eye) wavelegnths with laser tech?
How would I aim it tho?
Point at face and pull the trigfer, shortly. Shouldn’t be enough to actually harm but burning hair, brows and eyelashes are great at resistributing attention ^^
Yes, as I said, might scare someone but will not incapacitate them. Depending on the situation scarring/angering the opponent might be a good or a terrible idea.
Yes, scaring can make people just more angry and lead to a more severe attack… but I am pretty sure that a scared angry attacker who’s clothing is on fire will reassess his priorities rather quickly.
It’s just a gas lighter. It’s unlikely it will set someone on fire. They would have to be wearing something extremely flammable. To actually set someone on fire you need some agent that will stick to them like gasoline. This will most probably just burn someone’s hair and it’s a good thing. Using actual flamethrower as a self defense weapon would be insane. The chances of hurting yourself or setting whole building on fire would be really big. You could just a well carry a bottle of acid with you.
To actually set someone on fire you need some agent that will stick to them like gasoline.
Hmmm… you are right… but if you mount a propane lighter on, lets say, a water pistol filled with ethanol… hmmm…
I heard that if you mix orange juice with gasoline you get napalm.
So, a worse pepper spray?
Can of hair spray and a zippo lighter will also do you fine.
Until you’re stood there trying to get the lighter to light. Better to just use the hair spray on their eyes then take a step back and give them 90’s frosted tips
Well those butane lighters are pretty much a sure bet. You could get one of those instead.
I carry air freshener spray in my weed bag. The fact that I could create a protective fire ball brings me comfort when I take “nature walks” by myself.
Do you like, insert it in and it works automatically?
Incendio!
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Well with women having these on hand at least the incels will finally achieve one of their objectives:
Women thinking they’re smokin’ hot.
And yet somehow I feel this might not be the best path forward.
There is one benefit to this. If you’re talking to a women at a bar and the people around you starting to move away, you know you’re crossing some lines.
Well… let’s try it out for a little and see what happens.
Here here !
We can’t know until we give it a try
Typically without solid training what happens is the weapon gets turned on the wrong person.
But, for the sake of a good time we can imagine some asshole pervs getting lit up like a cigar. Heh heh. Awesome.
Honestly, I hope it is more deterrent than anything else
Idk, having something that could melt metal from a safe distance as a deterrent seems a bit overkill. But don’t take my word for it, I might be overreacting.
Hmm, that sounds like something a velociraptor would say.
That’s hate speech.
Smells fishy.
It’s just running on butane - it won’t have enough heat mass to melt metal (and produce any notable flames). Probably it won’t do much more to a person than startle the hell out of them and maybe ignite their hair.
Shhh, let them have fun.
3300°C seems a bit much for butane but it could be farenheit which I would assume is still quite hot.
I think even oxy-butane tops out at 2,000°C (which is 50,000°F or something idk). 3,300°C is around the max for oxy-acetylene, which is I’m assuming what the person writing this was looking at.
Great, create more fear in society and pit people against each other and give them weapons, too. Winning concept.
Pit people against whom? Their active attacker? Who are you worried about making afraid?
What attacker? There is no attacker, it’s all a hypothetical situation meant to rile up people like you.
Rape is a made up hypothetical situation?
By that logic, shouldn’t everyone carry a gun too? If it’s theoretically only going to be used against an active attacker, what’s the big deal?
(Note: this isn’t an argument for carrying guns)
A lot of people carry guns specifically for that reason. I’m not saying it’s a perfect solution, but it speaks of a bigger issue that is being ignored. If people are forced to look out for themselves then the options become very limited and outside of the possibility of anything approaching ideal. I’m not choosing to worry about the attackers getting set on fire in this situation, my concerns and those of the people who have a need for things like this have already been outright ignored entirely. People don’t have a better option, it was taken from them already.
It’s just a weapon. It can be used by anybody, against anybody, for any reason. Being willing to use a weapon against other people doesn’t mean you are justified in doing so. This particular weapon is probably most useful for disfiguring people. There’s a fair chance that some over-entitled ex-boyfriends and stalkers might find a use for it.
Do you want to get embarrassed over getting defensive about a dark joke shitpost in a meme sub about women defending themselves against the onslaught of rape the world throws at them and how the systems in power refuse to give a shit about to the point of them requiring lethal disfiguring weapons (as a joke, as this is just a stupid temu lighter intended to be used simply as a lighter for people stupid enough to buy one, if that wasn’t fucking obvious.) to stop it from happening to them or do you maybe just want to fuck off about it? I’ve still got more in the tank, but I’d rather do other things than point out how fucking stupid it is to take shit like this seriously to the point of arguing against it as a safety issue. I just got off of a rare slow shift at work and need to play with my cat.
“Solar panels cause climate change” type argument.
BS
Abusers should be afraid. 🤷♂️
The problem is that who an “abuser” is is extremely subjective. In this case it’s evil men. What if people buy these because they’re scared of evil immigrants? The argument is the exact same.
And nothing is stopping abusers from getting these too. You think they have a little checkbox on the order you have to cross on the form so they don’t accidentally sell them to the wrong person?
And who are they against exactly, gropers, rapists, people that hit on you in a club, any stranger that approaches you? Burning someone alive is a pretty big commitment, you better make sure you got the right person, or else you’re just another psychopath with a weapon waiting for a chance to use it on anyone you dislike.
You’re real scared about getting set on fire, huh?
What’s wrong? Rape plans derailed?
I hope the QA is good. Training or no training, these aliexpress specials will probably just self immolate in your bag.
Also, fire doesn’t just stay put. Yes, you might burn the attacker, but catch the building on fire killing people.
Handing out weapons to the population and expect them to use them responsibly has worked so fucking well so far…
Well of course we’ll offer free training, too.
