Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a US representative, said on Wednesday that she will oppose any future US military aid to Israel, including for defensive systems.
In a statement on social media, Ocasio-Cortez said that Israel was fully capable of funding “Iron Dome and other defensive systems”, and that “consistent with my voting record to date, I will not support Congress sending more taxpayer dollars and military aid to a government that consistently ignores international law and US law”.
Her remarks on Wednesday follow reports that she pledged to oppose any future military aid to Israel during a New York City Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) forum on Tuesday evening.
“Our allies who need our military aid must understand that we will provide it consistent with the Leahy amendment and the foreign assistance act”, Ocasio-Cortez added, referring to a law which prohibits the US from providing military support to army units that violate human rights.
According to City & State, which obtained a partial recording of the DSA forum, Ocasio-Cortez told members: “I have not once ever voted to authorize funding to Israel, and I will never,” adding that “the Israeli government should be able to finance their own weapons if they seek to arm themselves.”
Go further than that, claw back our tax money to pay for healthcare dammit
Give em a bill and charge interest every year.
If they don’t pay, most of the global economy still runs thru NYC, if we sanction their leaders and oligarchs instead of random ass “settlers” who don’t even have a bank account, we could apply real pressure for their government to pay.
Israel does not owe the US for weapons, because they are gifts. The nominally loans are immediately forgiven by state dept.
They should owe though. It’s disgusting that we continue to gift weapons for a genocide while we refuse to fund things like universal healthcare here at home.
Yeah but it is what the US says it is. We could just state otherwise, you owe us, fuck you pay us. Not going to happen as they have our politicians compromised, with the CIA’s help it appears. How about some fucking court martials for helping foreign governments compromise our politicians? Death penalty.
forgiving a loan is a permanent contract. You can validly say that everyone who previously cancelled loans were traitorous scum, as a basis for conditions for future sales to Israel, and seizing assets of all “supposed Americans” of those who bribed the traitorous scum as restitution. But cancelled loans themselves are without legal restitution.
I prefer seizing the $10T of Zionazi agents and funding of Zionazi first rule over America to death penalties.
Idk what you are talking about. I said the US officials that helped compromise our citizens for a foreign country are traitors. You have a problem with that?
As far as forgiving loans, Israel wasn’t loaned anything, we gave it to them, that’s the whole point here. But yes, we have cancelled loans before, including in the Magna Carta
As far as forgiving loans, Israel wasn’t loaned anything, we gave it to them,
The contractual shenanigans of gifting weapons to Israel is that they are sold with a loan. The state department immediately forgives the loan.
the US officials that helped compromise our citizens for a foreign country are traitors.
I agree. I prefer seizing their and their donors wealth instead of death penalty.
Oh is it? Tell that to all the fucking student loans that were forgiven they went back on. No, it’s clearly not fucking permanent. So we are done here.
I love how you watch as potus does whatever the fuck he wants and still thinks “oh we have precedent for this” is something anyone should give one singular fuck about.
How about this: we are going to vote for the people that will claw back every fucking penny from that country we can. They fucking owe us.
Yep, let’s start playing Hard Ball. Stop giving breaks to economic predators and parasites.
This!!!
Better late than never, but the left coalition of the party could have done this 75,000 Palestinians ago.
accurate estimate range about 300000 Palestinians. or about 1/6th
Sombody guard her because Mosad already is planing to eliminate her.
Yeah I was about to say damn what a shame she was so young.
“I have not once ever voted to authorize funding to Israel, and I will never,”
She has though: https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2024128, https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2023681, https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/202428
It’s a much better track record than pretty much anyone else but this article and post is a pretty blatant attempt at reputation laundering.
Do y’all really fall for this so easily?
Which one of these you linked is providing funding to Israel?
In order:
H.R.5917
This bill extends the authority of the President to impose sanctions on foreign persons using human shields through 2030 and requires the President to impose such sanctions on each foreign person determined to be a member of Palestine Islamic Jihad and orders, controls, or otherwise directs the use of human shields. Currently, such sanctions are (1) required for users of human shields who are members of Hamas or Hezbollah or supporters of those groups, and (2) authorized for other users of human shields.
The President must also determine if a person named in certain congressional requests meets the criteria for such sanctions and report on whether the President intends to impose sanctions on that person.
Additionally, the Department of Defense must report to Congress on the implications of the use of human shields by Hamas, Hezbollah, and Palestine Islamic Jihad.
H.R.5961
This bill requires the President to impose property-blocking sanctions on foreign financial institutions and international financial institutions that process, participate in, or facilitate a transaction involving certain Iranian funds (namely, the approximately $6 billion of Iranian funds that the Biden administration permitted to be transferred from restricted accounts in South Korea to restricted accounts in Qatar to facilitate the release of five U.S. citizens detained in Iran).
H.R.6679
This bill imposes immigration-related penalties on certain non-U.S. nationals (aliens under federal law) who are involved with terrorism or attacks against Israel.
Under this bill, members of Palestinian Islamic Jihad or Hamas or who participated in or otherwise facilitated the October 7, 2023, attacks on Israel may not be admitted into the United States.
The bill also expands an existing admissions bar against officers, representatives, and spokespersons of the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO). Under this bill, all PLO members are barred from admission into the United States.
The bill also prohibits any non-U.S. national who participated in or otherwise facilitated the October 7, 2023, attacks from seeking any immigration-related relief or protections, including (1) protection from being deported to a country where the individual’s life or freedom would be threatened, or (2) asylum in the United States.
Summaries are generally misleading.
Full text for H.R.5917: https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/5917/text where it outlines the modifications to public law 115-348 which according to Sec. 3.d authorizes usage of the IEEPA to enforce sanctions.
Israel then directly receives defense spending to enforce those sanctions as well as indirectly being funded via any seized assets that are found in violation of those sanctions as “reperations”. Here’s an example of a $500Mil funding source.
H.R.5961 uses essentially the same mechanism but targets Iran specifically redirecting a large chunk of the $6B mentioned towards Israel.
You are correct that H.R.6679 isn’t about funding, but I still felt it was important to include.
Thank you!
H.R.4016, the Department of Defense Appropriations Act
Sec. 8067. Of the amounts appropriated in this Act under the headings “Procurement, Defense-Wide” and “Research, Development, Test and Evaluation, Defense-Wide”, $500,000,000 shall be for the Israeli Cooperative Programs: Provided, That of this amount, $60,000,000 shall be for the Secretary of Defense to provide to the Government of Israel for the procurement of the Iron Dome defense system to counter short-range rocket threats, subject to the U.S.-Israel Iron Dome Procurement Agreement; $127,000,000 shall be for the Short Range Ballistic Missile Defense (SRBMD) program, including cruise missile defense research and development under the SRBMD program; $40,000,000 shall be for co-production activities of SRBMD systems in the United States and in Israel to meet Israel’s defense requirements consistent with each nation’s laws, regulations, and procedures, subject to the U.S.-Israeli co-production agreement for SRBMD; $100,000,000 shall be for an upper-tier component to the Israeli Missile Defense Architecture, of which $100,000,000 shall be for co-production activities of Arrow 3 Upper Tier systems in the United States and in Israel to meet Israel’s defense requirements consistent with each nation’s laws, regulations, and procedures, subject to the U.S.-Israeli co-production agreement for Arrow 3 Upper Tier; and $173,000,000 shall be for the Arrow System Improvement Program including development of a long range, ground and airborne, detection suite.
This is what AOC voted on in regard to Israel and the Iron Dome.
MTG had offered an amendment that would cut the funding for Israeli defense and AOC voted against it, allowing the funds to remain in the bill.
Thank you!
And she even called MTG antisemitic for it
Yeah that was really disappointing
Israel should be disarmed.
Hey, it looks like you’re trying to write Destroyed.
One genocide (or several) doesn’t make another one right…
The removal of a state is not genocide.
Or are you the sort of racist who would support Rhodesia existing over Zimbabwe?
“Nazi germany should be destroyed”
wow um so you just hate germans?
Israel is literally Germany in this example, cmon, I know you’re not this stupid.
Right so why do you object to its destruction?
Destruction of a country? Gee I wonder. Almost like I said no genocide is ever good?
So, why are you pro killing people in Israel?
wanting a country gone =/= wanting its people gone
You understand the difference between genocide and dismantling a state?
State ≠ people
I have my doubts which the person above me meant.
They could have written state… But they haven’t. “Destroy the state” isn’t something you commonly say now, is it?
Im also not sure what they meant… I actually read it differently the first time… like clippy being a voice of western media, equating not handing arms to Israel with it’s destruction. Just like they equate asking for the end of genocide with antisemitism.
Lemmy has some seriously sick fucks on it so I always have my guard up… They had plenty of opportunity to clarify, but haven’t.
It would force them to negotiate diplomaticly and lead to much more peace in the middle east
Fuck yeah, hopefully AOC starts a fuck aid to Israel trend
Support and protect this person and leaders like them. Fight for them.
I want to VOTE for her! Oh wait, I already do! Now want to vote for her for Senate (don’t let the door clobber you in the ass on the way out Schmuckie-boy!), and then President!
I mean… I would vote for her (to be POTUS) too, since I’m very much a democratic socialist. Unfortunately her chances of actually being the Democrat nominee are basically zero. And even if she did get that far, she would lose in the same way Kamala and Hillary did. Fence sitters and centrists seem incapable of voting for a woman. 🤷♂️
I would be elated to be proven wrong! Please, Universe! Prove me wrong on this!
Fence sitters and centrists seem incapable of voting for a woman.
It’s really disingenuous to boil it all down to a gender war. Neither Clinton nor Harris ran good campaigns.
Both were also victims of various forms of election manipulation and fraud, although Hillary’s campaign was especially godawful.
USA, for some reason, seems to only prefer conservative fossils as POTUS.
meanwhile tankies are calling her (and me) a Zionist for saying the Iron Dome is not just used for protecting military assets and has protected civilians before 🙄
that’s right folks, you’re a Zionist if your anti-Zionism doesn’t ignore facts enough, I guess 🤷♀️
The problem is protection in this case also means protection from the consequences of their actions. As shit as it may sound there’s an active incentive to not causing problems when getting a city block leveled is a potential risk, the same thing can be said for the US which is protected by its relative remoteness from its foes.
So the Iron Dome isn’t just a defensive measure, it’s an emboldening one since it protects Israel from its consequences.
yes, I agree with this point - maybe not to the point of saying we should dismantle the Iron Dome from protecting civilians, but you are right that the Iron Dome acts as a kind of enabler - providing psychological safety to Israelis that undermines political will to end and avoid conflict.
But I’m not sure the civilians are necessarily the best targets in the first place - there have been massive protests against the current government, and I’m not sure we should really consider Israel a particularly democratic state.
Also, Israel has been genocidal for many decades now, including through decades under which many Israelis had to take cover under bomb shelters, so the Iron Dome is probably not the most relevant factor in whether Israel continues on its path.
I feel that the distinction between then and now is that the first generation of Israelis generally did have a reason to grit it out, a lot of them went through far worse than some bombing raids. But now only the youngest of them remain and even then they’re ancient, the majority of modern Israelis would most likely not like having to stick it out in a bunker due to their government being assholes.
But I’ll also admit my bias that I don’t think Israel should exist, the Arabs should’ve been allowed to level it decades ago. So my overall prevailing opinion on Israel is a vague sense of fuck it who cares blockade them and let em rot. So my opinion on any interaction with them is pretty much tainted by that constantly, meaning I’d only approve of the Iron Dome if they completely dearmed in totality and even then I may not care.
Point is I don’t think the Israelis should be traded with let alone given aid.
I agree the current state of Israel is illegal and shouldn’t exist, but political positions like this are separate from my view that most civilians are just normal folks and shouldn’t bear the primary burden - generally wars should be fought targeting military targets, not targeting civilians. I understand that’s a bit complicated when the conflict is asymmetric and one side is not a military as much as a guerilla resistance, their tactics do rely more on using terror to pressure political solutions in their favor.
But yeah, I agree with not funding Israel ✅ The US doesn’t have a special obligation to fund Israel, even if they have been a useful “attack dog” in the Middle East for us, I don’t think US intervention in pretty much most cases is helpful - the US is a big part of why Israel gets away with their crimes and is an unchecked genocidal, racist state.
The thing is that the Israelis don’t give a fuck about civilians and I am a firm believer in the golden rule even when it does bite me in the ass. So if they don’t give a fuck then neither should we, they want to do terroristic bombing campaigns then fine their civilians are valid now as well. You reap what you sow and all that.
But yeah we seem to agree at like 90 percent or so, it’s just where we draw the line and what we consider to be morally acceptable. You value civilians and I refuse to due to Israel not valuing them, though I would exterminate every settler community with the vigor of the US army in Vietnam but that’s more of a fuck them in particular thing.
You mean the massive protests supporting the right to rape Palestinians?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_hostage_deal_protests
I was talking about the massive protests against the gov’t handling of the post-October “war” in favor of a ceasefire and accepting a hostage deal
A key part of the protest movement, [Hostages and Missing Families Forum’s] demands are;
- Immediate release of all hostages, since their holding is contrary to international law and defined as a war crime and a crime against humanity.
- Immediate opening of a humanitarian corridor to supply medicines and necessary equipment to the chronically ill and injured and examination of all hostages by a doctor.
- Intervention and assistance of the leaders of the neighboring countries in favor of the immediate release of the kidnapped hostages.
There are no more hostages being held at this point.
right, these protests happened in the past:
On 1 September 2024, following the discovery of six hostages killed in the Gaza Strip, protest organizations declared a nationwide strike and day of demonstrations, with more than 500,000 people participating across Israel and abroad to demand a hostage deal.
A subsequent strike was announced on 17 August 2025, drawing hundreds of thousands of demonstrators.
Demonstrating to get hostages back is not the same as demonstrating to stop the genocide.
By definition, a Zionist is anyone who supports the development and protection of a Jewish nation in Occupied Palestine at the expense of Palestinian lives, land, and sovereignty. Any degree of that is Zionism. You are not an anti-Zionist if you support the development and protection of a Jewish nation on stolen, Palestinian land. Anti-Zionism isn’t a big tent kind of club. AOC, Mamdani, Bernie, and anyone else who supports the continued colonization of Occupied Palestine are Zionists.
last time i posted statistical facts about Israel from wikipedia my comments got removed from being pro-Zionist and antisemitic.
i love it.
Like what?
Seems you’ll be waiting a long time for those facts to show up. :/
Shaming him into silence works just as well for me :)
If asking Zionists to clarify their positions is enough to get them to shut up, then so be it and I’ll keep doing it.
Good for you. :)
“facts”
“my people are safe from your bombs while your people die from my bombs”
Lay off defending this bullshit right now bro.
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a US representative, said on Wednesday that she will oppose any future US military aid to Israel, including for defensive systems.
I’m an anti-Zionist, I’m going to continue defending not funding Israel, mostly because they are an illegal occupation with decades of history violating international laws and because they are genocidal and actively promoting racist and illegal settler-colonialism.
So no, I’m not going to stop defending my anti-Zionism, thank you.
You are talking up the iron dome which is what we are talking about and you fucking know it.
in what sense am I “talking up” the Iron Dome? the closest thing to this is that I don’t agree with the tankie dogma that the Iron Dome only protects military assets … the Iron Dome clearly protects Israeli citizens as well, and that fact doesn’t necessarily change much - in fact, I also criticized the Iron Dome’s role in protecting citizens as a kind of “enabler”, the safety it provides undermines political will to end and avoid conflicts (not that I want civilians to be treated as valid targets, but the Iron Dome does have problematic consequences this way).
If you don’t want to be thoughtful or read my comments in good faith, and you’re primed to conclude I’m defending Israel regardless, I don’t really care - you don’t have to read my comments, I’m not here to convince anyone of anything and I don’t need to convince you of my anti-Zionism; I’m happy to block you and move on with my life.
meanwhile tankies are calling her (and me) a Zionist for saying** the Iron Dome is not just used for protecting military assets and has protected civilians before** 🙄
that’s right folks, you’re a Zionist if your anti-Zionism doesn’t ignore facts enough, I guess 🤷♀️
To be fair, this is your parent comment and there’s not much to be thoughtful about until your later comments.
that’s fair enough based on just that one comment (maybe I’m just angry from previous interactions in which I have been accused of being a Zionist, banned, and then having what I felt was a reasonable examination of the facts deleted - not been the comfiest day for me)
maybe I just need to step away, it’s been a bad mental health day for me anyway
Hey that’s fair. I’ve had days where I needed to step away from the keyboard because I was getting too lost in going back and forth as well.
You and your mental health are more important than an internet debate :)
Thoughtful, ha ha. I have plenty of thoughts I can assure you, and Israel being protected from retribution from their abuses of the others is one of them. Israel is the Devil. Their population is fucked in the head, and as such, is the devil incarnate, metaphorically speaking. Literally they are Nazis.
Her path to getting here was stupid, allowing themselves to get outflanked by MTG was utterly unforced, and her response was worse.
Its great she’s sharpening this point, but how you get to where you end up matters for what amounts to the best progressive hope for 2028 (at least for now). It showed, frankly, a very clumsy ability to navigate politics, ultimately leaving her pissing off both the anti-zionists and the pro-genocide caucuses. Its not a feather in her cap for demonstrating a great ability to navigate issues or lead caucuses.
And that is my primary concern with AOC. She’s one of the best communicators the left has. But she is consistently not a leader on the most important issues we have, and is far too calculating. Genuinely, she reminds me of Pelosi in this manner.
I seriously doubt AOC was ever outflanked by MTG, and frankly I have no idea what you mean by that?
Doing a google search “marjorie tayler greene outflank democrats” turns up nothing.
If you are referring to MTG talking sense about the Epstein files an no to the Iran war and distancing herself from MAGA, how the fuck do you Imagine AOC could do anything about that?I seriously doubt AOC was ever outflanked by MTG
Its not something you get to doubt. Its just a thing that happened. I guess you don’t follow politics.
and frankly I have no idea what you mean by that?
So you don’t know what a word/ concept means, and your position on the matter starts by doubting the thing exists. Telling.
Doing a google search “marjorie tayler greene outflank democrats” turns up nothing.
I provided a link. Click it. Its not even text, you can just listen.
I guess you mean because MTG was anti-Israel first? Not because of the genocide, but because she’s a white supremacist anti-Semite? Yay MTG
Okay that’s just a cope. MTG was pro-Israel until 2025 while also being a raging antisemite; tying her current anti-Israel position to her antisemitism rather than political opportunism is, as I said, a cope to distract from AOC’s failure to do the same.
I honestly don’t care why our representatives do what they do, I care about the material impact of the legislation they pass.
Example: If a Quiverfull MAGA crazy decides we need to fund childcare because women are just baby machines and childcare means they have more utilities to fight the “white genocide”. Fine. It’s fucking gross but let’s get childcare in place and move to the next issue. All we have to do is make sure it applies to everyone equally.
This is how you get stuff done.
The difference is I’m not looking to someone like MTG to lead, so the fact that her abhorrent methodology arrived at the correct outcome is a canary in the coal mine compared to AOC who I am looking to lead based on moral convictions to fight difficult fights when needed.
Well she had her come-to-white-Jesus moment at the same time as she was resigning, so she’s not passing any legislation for you
Why are you talking at me like I support her?
Because to Blue MAGA, any criticism of a Democrat makes you the same as a conservative.
jfc, like, click the fucking link. Just click the fucking link. Its queued to the time stamp you need to be reminded of what happened regarding these votes. Its right fucking there. Just click it.
I can’t help people not knowing or remember what happened during house debates in 2021. I’m sorry if your memory isn’t good enough to remember what happened in the house four years ago. She switched her vote from No to Present in a 2021 package for funding Israel’s Iron Dome. She also voted for the resolution which redefined criticism of Israel as anti-antisemitism. Even later she voted against an amendment (led by MTG) to defund Israels Iron Dome. That last one specifically was her getting outflanked by MTG, because later, AOC goes on to vote against the entire bill.
This is how AOC justified it at the time:
This ends up being a completely unforced error since she went on to vote against the entire bill. Instead of taking a strong stance and being on the right side of an issue out the gate, she comes out as calculating, both sides, and then ultimately votes against when it wouldn’t stop it anyways.
Ilhan Omar, Rashida Talib, Summer lee: They didn’t make those mistakes. AOC is pivoting, which is good. AOC was not good in acting as part of a unified front against the funding of a zionist genocide.
AOC included, but overall this criticism best applies to the Democratic party. In the game of politics, despite of what we know about MTG, yes, she outflanked the Democratic party on the genocidal Israel issue.
Say what you want about MTG, but she’s staying ahead of the messaging these days.
That’s easy to do when you’re full of shit
Again, she’s full of shit, but she did outflank AOC on this issue.
Feel free to explain how
Oh for fuck sake. So now we’ve got a bunch of people simultaneously talking down AOC for failing a purity test, and praising MTG? The fuck is wrong with you people?
No, I am praising AOC for finally getting her messaging right and acknowledging that even MTG got there before AOC did.
Its just a thing that happened.
This is so typically you, zero explanation of what you mean, just more bullshit.
So you don’t know what a word/ concept means,
WTF? How was AOC flanked by MTG? That’s not a concept. You are absolutely useless to debate, it always leads nowhere with you.
I provided a link. Click it. Its not even text, you can just listen.
This is outright false, there is no link in the post I responded to, also who the fuck would want to listen to an audio link for a simple point? A point you never care to substantiate, apart from some broad statement, that to me seems absolutely false and moronic.
The link is further up. Here it is again: https://youtu.be/pfECtut0STg?t=250
A point you never care to substantiate, apart from some broad statement,
I’ve done it no fewer than 4 times in this thread. Dig around. AOC’s own words validates my claim. Its a good thing she’s changed, which is what this article was about, but she had a wrong position to begin with. And yes, MTG did outflank her on this, which is a strike against AOC’s ability to read the room. At the time, it came across as calculating and conniving. Even more strongly now.
Its a good thing AOC pivoted to this stance, but its a good pivot, if late and show poor political instincts.
This has zero bearing on your claim that MTG outflanked democrats and AOC, it’s like you are switching to a completely different debate.
Yes I agree AOC was late in realizing how bad Israel is, and has been for a long time, like in decades. But at least she and other Democrats are beginning to wake up.
Also to the defense of AOC, what she supported was a defensive system.Also to the defense of AOC, what she supported was a defensive system.
You shouldn’t be defending this act of hers. She was wrong when she supported it, and defending her is wrong now. If you are commenting or engaging in politics just to be a standard bearer or water carrier, you should disengage from the process because you do real damage in doing so.
claim that MTG outflanked democrats and AOC, it’s like you are switching to a completely different debate.
No, it doesn’t, because its extremely relevant to AOC’s ability to form and execute on a political calculus. AOC getting outflanked by MTG isn’t up for debate, its just a thing that happened. Its quite literally the article we’re reading, that AOC has now adopted the stance that MTG outflanked her with, the unilateral disarmament of Israel. AOC shouldn’t have allowed MTG to get there first; it speaks to AOC’s questionable political instincts. If AOC is gunning for the top slot, she needs to get to the right position first, not later than someone like MTG.
It seems the blueMAGA are really hating this one. God it’s been a while since I used this word.
I guess its time I bring this one back:
BlueMAGA considers it a war-crime to be critical of Democrats, even if you support them.
vOtE bLuE nO mAtTeR wHo!!!@!~
“Vote blue no matter who” folks would earnestly argue in favor of voting for Hitler (D) over Hitler ®. I can’t wait to be lectured in 2040 about how it’s better to let trans people rot in prison than it is to let them be sent to death camps and that “you can’t always get what you want” when I say I don’t want trans people harmed at all
Death by a thousand cuts. At least Republicans will look you in the face when they call for your extermination.
This is the first time I’ve seen the phrase blueMAGA. I can imagine what it means and I’m curious which (democratic) politicians most fit the bill, in yours and others opinions.
It’s liberals that are Blue MAGA. They want to keep the status quo, they just want Dems running the country instead of Republicans. These would be the unrelenting supporters of Clinton and Harris and Biden.
So would Bernie Sanders and AOC be considered “liberals” or is there a better term?
Bernie Sanders and AOC
Neither Bernie or AOC are liberals. Both are explicitly either Democratic Socialist or progressive.
Bernie is a Democratic Socialist and AOC identifies as one as well.
It can’t apply to Democratic politicians, because the phrase refers to someone who blindly supports the Dem establishment/Democratic politicians in general much like MAGA Republicans blindly support Trump (that’s what the MAGA part is about). If a Democratic politician blindly supported the establishment, they’d just be a member of the establishment.
It’s not a real thing.
She is definitely not strong on foreign policy, this much was apparent when she spoke on complex issues at the Munich Security Conference and struggled to be fully coherent.
But there’s still time for her to hone it. What was her path to getting here?
She’s trying to create a middle path here where one side is genocide. It’s pretty disconcerting overall but Israel is the last great Western colonial settler project and colonialism is prosperity / glory to the West and genocide / displacement to the Global South (or human majority).
Thankfully there are many here that are against it but clearly she feels that a centrist approach will be more expedient for her political aspirations.
She’s trying to create a middle path here where one side is genocide.
How is refusing further involvement with Israel a middle ground? She is absolutely saying NO to Israel.
After previously voting to approve funding for the Iron Dome.
It’s true; she did vote last year, and openly stated, that she for funding Israel’s defense, and received a lot of backlash and criticism for it. Thankfully she’s started to take the right response to the issue now, but it was super poorly handled at the time because she doubled down not realizing that’s about as good being open to funding the defense for Nazi Germany.
I like AOC, and think she’s a great fit for the senate, but I often criticise her political instincts at this point in her career.
I like AOC, and think she’s a great fit for the senate, but I often criticise her political instincts at this point in her career.
Similar sentiment here. It does no one any good to pretend like her recent pivot is how she has acted the entire time.
I’m hopeful that she continues on this new path.
Something as serious as defending taiwan against the second economic and military power china is not something you can talk about without days of reflection. I find ridiculous to be so hard on her for that specific question
But there’s still time for her to hone it. What was her path to getting here?
Oh I’m specifically talking about the MTG proposal, and how AOC instead of leading on the issue, got outflanked by MTG, then voted present (basically “supportive” of defensive weapons, because she didn’t vote in favor of the MTG proposal, interpreted as acting in favor of Israel), then ultimately voting against the full bill.
Basically, she hit all the wrong beats in all the wrong order. Mike breaks it down in greater detail here.
Among the pack, AOC should have been leading Rashida and Omar. Instead AOC got outflanked on the left during the debate phase, to ultimately vote against the resolution. It just shows an inability to read the moment, an inability to lead, and a kind of calculating nature that I think many Americans, truly can-not-stand. Its that Obama/ Clintonian/ Pelosi/ Schumber type of calculating, where instead of doing the morally right thing, even if unpopular, is an afterthought.
It’s like you freak play “fantasy football” with this shit. Is this what activism looks like? Did you update your rankings after this new article?
“fantasy football” with this shit.
It only looks that way to the utterly politically illiterate.
Did you update your rankings after this new article?
Yes. AOC has corrected for a mistake she made in the past. It doesn’t make up for how she made the mistake, but it does show she is willing to correct/ is responsive to critisism, both of which are important qualities in a Democratic party Presidential hopeful. She ticked up a bit because she showed the ability to change (not because of the article).
And if you don’t like politics or news… How about just stfu and go cruise other stuff on lemmy? You aren’t obligated to read every horse race article/ political beat article if its not interesting to you and not something you follow or try to understand. You dont’ have to have an opinion here.
But there’s still time for her to hone it.
Their problem isn’t with her position per se, but with how she chooses her position. Trying to create a middle path where one side is insert evil thing is too common with AOC, is (how I interpreted) the point.
Exactly. Its the calculating. I find it extremely reminiscent of how Pelosi did buisness.
You’re going to vote for Tucker Carlson for president someday.
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No, I voted against him while you threw your vote away. Everything that is happening now is your fault.
RemindMe! 31 months
RemindMe! 79 months
If you didn’t advocate for a better candidate or for the candidate to adopt better positions, you did the work to get Trump elected.
That’s a big “if” that you don’t know the answer to.
What was your rationale for not voting for Harris on Nov. 5? To teach us all a lesson?
Did you advocate for a better candidate or for the candidate to take a better position? If so, please show the class.
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You have no idea how any of us voted and it’s absurd to assume.
Please stop stalking me
We’re in the same thread.
Her continued political career depended on clearing that up.
Problem is all of us on the left will not forget her past record and her choices time and time again to side with the status quo, Israel, and the imperialist, capitalist Democratic Party.
i agree. she has been a let down the past few years. she’s mucher better than most liberals, but she still has bent the knee to Israel in the past when her voice mattered
She was going to vote against it originally. Then supposedly Pelosi convinced her to change her vote. So she voted present.
It’s a difficult spot to be in, given that much of her support relies on the zionists in New York like Schumer, etc in her party… Donors too…
Yeah it must be SOOO difficult to sacrifice tens of thousands of innocent civilians so that she can stay in power and not make her colleagues uncomfortable. Give me a break. She’s an evil Zio neolib like the rest of the Democratic Party. Crocodile tears
Oh, okay lol
She’s an evil Zio neolib like the rest of the Democratic Party. Crocodile tears
That’s literally MAGA speak with different slurs, lol
Call it what you want but it’s still the truth
Im in her district. She doenst need that support. She is perfectly safe here.
Shoulda done that years ago. We wouldn’t be in this predicament today had that been done. She offered criticism of Israel, but when push came to shove she didn’t rock the boat when voting time came and she changed her vote away from “no” to fund Israel’s Iron Dome.
Hate on the politicians not moving, not on those moving too slow for your liking. This shit is why you have Trumpaloompa now.
slow to improve is still an infinity larger improvement than… nearly every other party official, really
Hate both
Washington is literally occupied by Israeli assets. This should absolutely be the norm but it’s not so we need to keep pressing. If it were up to me we’d start arresting Israeli backed politicians for treason but as it is were in hell so I’ll give credit where credit is due
My favorite Democrat, if only she was the norm.
Come to think of it, she’s the only Democrat who I don’t find infuriating… the last time I researched one (Maxine Waters) I was revolted
Elizabeth Warren also seems to be speaking sense in a group of nonsensical liberals from what I’ve seen
I would vote for her over Hillary Clinton certainly, or Harris.
Or Biden for that matter, he was embarrassing, too
Those are establishment candidates. Newsom is the establishment pick. The DNC will sabotage AOC for sure
How about any aid at all? That country needs a lot of things, democracy, ethics, morals, but it does not need aid for anything
AOC is not suicidal
