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Brave runs an ad network.
Are brave and Plex related?
That’s a brave move.
I feel like if you’re writing the sentence “an optional, paid version of our browser that offers Brave […] without its extra features,” you need to sit back and take a long, hard look at yourself.
Firefox users stay winning. I love how mad some people are about Firefox.
I am not mad about Firefox. I am mad about Mozilla.
won so much uninstall when it showed a world cup advert to everyones face the other day. the forks are great, but the fox is getting enshitificated in every possible way.
Not this face. Didn’t see shit. Where?
On the mobile app, when you open it there’s a non-removable FIFA widget in the home page. I hate it.
Edit: I’ve tried again and now they added an option to remove it. But still, why would I want a fucking soccer widget in my browser?
Yeah it’s doing that to me too. The ‘Countdown to the world cup’ thing? Fuck the world cup, fuck these ads, I’m only still using Firefox because I can’t be bothered to migrate all my bookmarks to something better.
Exactly, and the world cup of soccer is managed by FIFA, one of the most evil organisations in the world.
Firefox is a beautiful product managed by a retarded company. Mozilla should die and just become a non-profit.
FIFA, one of the most evil organisations in the world
Sorry, but no matter how bad and corrupt FIFA is, calling them that is ridiculous. Your average American health care/insurance company and their “deny, defend, depose” operation is probably worse.
What would be better though?
I have my problems with mozilla, but between apple, google and mozilla, they absolutely win in my book.The Firefox forks let you migrate everything seamlessly for the most part.
I also use a fork on most systems, but I still use Firefox pretty often, and I can think of a lot more ways it could be worse and isn’t being enshittified.
Didn’t even notice it
Brave Origin’s main feature isn’t what it adds but what it removes: it scraps email aliases, Leo AI, the VPN tool, the Brave Wallet implementation, and Speedreader, just to name a few features. You can either download a browser with all of those disabled, or you can upgrade your Brave browser with a panel that lets you tweak what ones you want to keep.
The bad news is, if you’re not on Team Tux, you’re going to have to pay $60 for Brave Origin. Granted, you only need to buy it once, and you’ll get unlimited activations across all of your devices.
It’s amazing people still believe this BS.
Totally off topic, but I drink at a bar called Spaghetti Western!
Hillsboro, OR.They’ll probably hold to it for that exact product. If they rebrand it and add it back, that’s no longer the same thing you paid for ;)
Ya, that’s the really obvious take. That’s teh way you do biz these days.
Like, that’s what’s gonna happen to all those ‘lifetime’ Plex accounts. Sure, you still have access to ‘Plex-classic’. But you don’t get any of the new Plextastic services … unless you want to pay the $1,999 upgrade fee …If I get to use the exact product I paid for a lifetime account for forever that does kinda sound like exactly what I paid for.
Trust me. You need Plextastic. Its got all the cool new stuff. Just a small fee.
You will come around.
Yet people keep recommending products by this scummy company and pile on Firefox for slightest missteps.
Mozilla should be scrutinized, even if Firefox is currently the best option.
I think the only thing keeping them inline is loud community backlash everytime they make one of those misssteps.
I think everyone should be held to the same standard. We can yell at Firefox a bit less. We should yell at Brave a lot more.
Same standard means we make noise when we don’t like something.
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least worst
People dont seem to be scrutinizing though. Its genuinely unhinged and often completely misinformed. They will jump on a single line of a legal text and use it to springboard into a world of scenarios even when Mozilla is saying its not true.
It doesnt help improve the product it just makes people think all products are bad and fallback to whatever the comfortable majority is which is chrome.
Who cares it’s a corporation, it doesn’t have feelings. Anything to keep these corpos in line.
Sometimes corporations lie.
It’s not being unhinged to say you don’t like something. And the way that Mozilla is embracing “AI” is not welcomed.
Sorry man, but the minute Firefox added that keylogger, I dipped.
Firefox rendering engine is dogshit and they are massively behind.
This coming from someone that was using Netscape and Mozilla and Firefox since its release.
Firefox doesn’t include a keylogger. It does have the infamous privacy preserving attribution but this can easily be disabled in settings.
In contrast, Chrome is literally a tool for Google to gain as much personal information as possible for Googles advertisement platform. It has the worst privacy features of the three major browsers and cannot be fully made private due to crippled extension support.
Firefox engine has some catching up to do, but the Safari rendering engine is behind Firefox on features.
I don’t know what you’re on about. There is no keylogger and I don’t have any issues with the engine unless it’s some weird ass “chrome experiments” style website which I couldn’t care less about.
Okay, it was always allowed to shoot yourself in the foot by going Chromium-based.
I find LibreWolf to be the better option for privacy, I never have an issue with rendering.
You either die a Netscape Navigator, or you live long enough to become a… any of em, really.
Alternatives being even worse doesn’t make firefox good, or invalidate any objective criticism against it.
I did not say otherwise.
They removed the paw, they are worse than Chrome! I’m going to use an alternative version that cannot exist without the main project to teach them a lesson!
All of the current browsers have major drawbacks. Brave has many features that other browsers don’t offer. They’ve made what is quickly becoming the industry standard adblocker, being adopted by Firefox, Waterfox, Comet, and even Ladybird browser. No extensions required.
Most browsers don’t allow you to easily toggle on and off certain privacy features on a per-site basis. That’s why I use it primarily.
Origin is free on Linux.
Until Servo and Ladybird are ready, this strikes the best balance for privacy and usabllity, in my opinion
Most browsers don’t allow you to easily toggle on and off certain privacy features on a per-site basis
I don’t know what “certain features” are. LibreWolf lets me easily enable WebGL on per-site basis and uBlock could always do that anyway. I don’t need to touch anything else.
Origin is free on Linux.
Yes, and you can also toggle everything off via config. That does not matter, it’s still a scummy move that should be ridiculed. How, exactly, is a dashboard that toggles some settings on or off is worth 60 dollars? It’s not “paying for convenience” it’s a tax on tech incompetency.
Brave has many features that other browsers don’t offer
Such as? Crypto nonsense?
The adblocker? OK I guess, except they are still just a middle man for ads (hence the crypto nonsense).
I dont see the value.
Why do you ask questions that I already answered in the comment you replied to?
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I’m curious how their adblocker blocks more than 100% of all ads, cuz that’s what they’d need to beat ublock (which existed before brave did).
To be fair, he said something about built-in
But I’m with you
The choice of high quality ad Blockers per addon is nothing that’s wrong with Firefox
You don’t need to pay anything if you go to the settings and disable them one by one. Brave is the best browser out there and only browser I have used since 2019.
You don’t need to pay anything to eat this delicious succulent meal, as long as you pick out the maggots first.
Brave was founded by a known homophobe who donated to Anti-LGBT projects and that was figure in the Covid - conspiracy circles . It is known to have injected stuff into their clients data, e.g. affiliate links, has leaked Tor data, etc.
It is by far the most shady and bad major browser.
So much venom. That’s weird. Because they are all useful to some degree or another.
I use Brave. (The free one. Obviously.)
And I use Vivaldi. And Firefox. And Waterfox.
And even Chrome.I do a lot of work through browser-based utilities. I like to set one browser up with all my server clusters pinned. This is the Brave/Vivaldi role. It doesn’t go online, just server mangement.
And I’ll set up Chrome with all my work sites. Because that’s the standard, and its gonna run all that work shit reliably. Login to my work google here.
And I want a dirty actual-browser with uBlock, SuperStop, and kill-sticky. Usually Firefox. Might get my personal gmail here.
If I’m on a machine where I need an additional role, or perhaps some extension that I don’t want in my main browser, I install another browser to handle it.
They are tools, folks. Use em. Don’t let them use you. Don’t be a tool.
:]Fuck that leaky browser. Asshole development.
Brave thinks its users are suckers
Evidence points to them being suckers, yes.
To be fair…most of the general population are indeed suckers.
To be fair, brave users are suckers
I don’t use Brave, but one correction. From the article: "Brave sells Origin to strip added features—a $60 one-time fee (free on Linux). "
Brave thinks its Windows and OSX users are suckers, not its Linux users apparently.
Its founder and CEO thinks that gay people shouldn’t have rights, too.
Pay for adblock by the guy who made us need NoScript.
Brave lets people use Origin for free if they’re on Linux
lol
Reminds me of a joke:
My dad always warned us about Septic Tank Steve, and that we should never pay him to do anything, and we should have listened. One day Steve came by and said if we gave him a nickel, he’d swim around in the septic tank. We thought that was hilarious, so we gave him a nickel, and he swam around the tank a while. Then he came and sat next to us on the porch and said “If you want me to leave, gimme $100.”
Can we agree that Brave:
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Is scummy.
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Has a shady ceo, and a shady history.
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Is possibly a security risk.
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Is still orders of magnitude better than using Google Chrome.
And that:
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This headline is both true and clickbait-ish.
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You can turn these things off in Brave’s settings, for free.
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That doesn’t make this feature not scummy.
Basically no one should be using Brave, but no one should be using Google Chrome either, yet here we are.
And the revolving door of “best unabandoned Chromium fork to use” (Helium for the moment, or Ungoogled Chromium if you don’t mind some broken features, just to name two), is buried under so much SEO that it’s legitimately difficult to research.
So… I’m not gonna go out of my way to flame Brave users. If they’re trying to do better than Chrome, good! Not-Google is good. They can pay for this I guess. I’m not installing Brave, though, I’m not recommending it, and this certainly isn’t making me want to.
use vivaldi if you want a chromium browser. its very customizable
Vivaldi concerns me a little, because I keep catching them trying to replace web addresses for major retailers with what appear to be affiliate links. For example, if I start typing the address for Amazon (I know, shitty company, but it’s the first page that comes to mind) it will pop up an auto complete to click on. If I click it, I can see that I’m redirected to Amazon through what appears to be either an affiliate or a tracking link. However, if I type the address fully in the browser and don’t use auto complete it takes me straight to Amazon, no redirecting or strange links popping up first. They do not disclose that they are doing this anywhere that I have found and I think it’s shady as fuck. I don’t have any extensions installed and it happens on multiple devices (phone, laptop, PC) and only on Vivaldi, so it’s definitely the browser and not an untrustworthy extension or a compromised device.
Ooh, thank you. I get they need to make money, but I hate this. It also won’t seem to turn off for me, I disabled the setting for direct match, deleted all my cookies and such, deleted the browser cache, and it’s still popping up and still redirecting through the affiliate link. Boo.
Hmmm, that’s weird, I didn’t even realize this feature existed until I read your post. Guess I have always had it disabled, and I’ve never run into the issue. Have you also deleted the default bookmarks? The address bar will prefer bookmarks when you start typing an address, so if you don’t delete the default ones that come with Vivaldi, they might be autocompleting?
I did delete the bookmarks, yes. I’ll have to keep playing with it and see if I can make it stop, but it does make me feel a little better knowing what it is. I just wish they were more open and transparent about it. Seeing my browser just randomly redirecting me through third party links with no warning is alarming and makes me want to go find another browser and I’ve gone through like 6 in the last 2 years trying to find one I like.
This seems to be disabled for me on mobile, but enabled on the desktop. Seems like a helpful feature, though they could’ve just done something like Firefox where it’s an offline search for a website with the same starting letters.
Still, appreciate the writeup and trying to minimize data collection while calling a 3rd party service in the browser and the option to disable it.
that might be the search engine you are using. that doesnt happen to me. i use amazon every day
I’ve been able to replicate with DuckDuckGo, Startpage, and Ecosia. Interestingly enough while testing it out to see if that was the issue I’ve noticed that it isn’t happening every time, more like every other time. It redirects so fast it’s easy to miss, but I was able to screen record and grab a screenshot of the link it’s redirecting through. It’s the same regardless of search engine.
Catch it and report it
Report it to who? Vivaldi?
The affiliate program. This is fraud.
Yeah. Or SRWare Iron, IIRC. Or DuckDuckGo or Orion on mobile. Cromite. Firefox, Zen, whatever.
There are tons of good options, certainly more than I know. But it’s a hard thing for the average person to research, especially when forks get abandoned or whatever.
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