Not a single investigation
Why would the blue republicans investigate the red republicans?
Advocating for them (the government, whatever team they happen to be on) acting on the Epstein files is like asking a toddler nicely to punish themselves. It is not in their best interest to do so, because it hurts their main benefactor, the owning class. The only way to have a shot at this happening is if the government is no longer owned by the owning class. To get there, you’d need to get rid of a number of things:
- the threat of capital flight (“if you do something I don’t like, I will take my gizmo factory elsewhere”)
- the ability of the owning class to shape the opinions of the electorate through owning the media (social and legacy) they consume
- the ability of the owning class to legally bribe politicians (“if you do this thing I like, you will get a cushy job at my gizmo factory, or I’ll pay you 500k to talk at my event for an hour”, also super PACs)
Until you get rid of all this, no one (on any side of the aisle) will ever do anything about the epstein files, no matter how many parades/protests you do. Your collective votes do not weigh up against the three points I mentioned. See also the Panama papers.
Oh and voting doesn’t work to fix the three points, because the three points ensure that most candidates (on either side of the aisle) do not benefit from doing anything about them, and the ones that do don’t have much of a shot at winning (see point 2).
You see why they rather bomb Iran than deal with the Epstein case
Why don’t they redirect their bombing lust toward the rapists & cannibals & pedophiles among themselves?
Can someone please enlighten me on the fucking cannibalism?
So remember how maga thinks that Hillary was farming kids for something apparently called adrenochrome in their blood ?
https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/pseudoscience/qanons-adrenochrome-quackery
Well…it’s always projection, every time.
Let’s just say, not everyone who went to that island made it out… alive
What could the details possibly change?
I have not read any of the files yet, but I have been told they include unsubstantiated and un-investigated reports, some of which may be “trolling” and not even attempt to contain any truth.
That said, cannibalism is, IMO, a lesser moral failing than what the victim reported (and continue to support).
Most likely codename for drugs, “jerky” for something or other. It just takes away attention from the real crime of raping underage people. Yeah, maybe some got raped to death, but that don’t mean anyone ate them.
Here’s a video about the cannibalism part, I seriously can’t imagine it being anything else than that.
(Graphic warning content. No fucked up images of audio, just the ideas and images you get when he’s going through everything. Don’t watch if you’re even a bit unsure if you can handle it).
Yeah, maybe I’m being dense, but I don’t see any cannibalism evidence presented in that video. After watching it, I’m even less concerned something like that might have happened.
I’m all for believing they raped underage people. Teens, preteens, kids. I can believe that. But these “jerky” things are so fucking lazy, it’s just drugs. It’s a lazy codename for drugs. And the stupid chickenleg picture is just some old art project photo from Spain or whatever country it was.
This country is so fucked
Is it just “this country”?
yep
Not just 'Murica, but unfortunately the civilised world gets dragged into their stupidity and bullshit
Epstein was literally mossa…
Okay still counts.
Yep
Shit’s fucked
the USA is the most corrupt country on earth I am curious as to why anyone is surprised. Donald Trump is literally in charge of enforcing the laws there.
And they say they can’t catch criminals if end to end encryption exists. All this was over email in plaintext with their primary addresses.
they know, but some of us are above the law and it shows… clearly.
You’re not distinguishing between “can’t” (e2e) and “won’t” (the obscenely rich).
This Right Here!
And we see only the tame half of the Epstein files. The other 3 mil have not been released
Exactly. It’s not random, they keep the worst, most damaging parts redacted or unreleased…
*in the US. Norway has charged Thorbjørn Jagland and in the UK Peter Mandelson and the Andrew formerly known as Prince were arrested, plus a number of other countries have criminal investigations ongoing. All so far for corruption rather than sex crimes but that’s probably a function of what’s easier to prove in court.
the Andrew formerly known as Prince
this gave me a good chuckle
He was released quickly. He and the diplomat were only arrested for leaking state secrets. GHCQ couldn’t even pretend to give a fuck about the kids, rapes, murders, etc…
Andrew formerly known as Prince
Iirc, that was for sharing state secrets, not for being a pedophile rapist.
On the one hand, whatever sticks. On the other, WHY can’t we somehow make child sex trafficking charges stick?
We already knew after Jimmy Saville (a high profile celebrity, pedophile, and sexual predator who victimized hundreds - likely thousands - over a period spanning sixty years, only getting “caught” after his death when victims could speak up without fear of reprisal) that there are a large number of people in British media and government who are not only willing to turn a blind eye, but to actively assist a predator in acquiring fresh victims and crushing any investigations into them, either to avoid scandal or because someone even higher up the chain told them to. It’s not surprising that the rot reaches all the way to the top.
Rape cases are notoriously difficult to prove, even if the victim goes to the police immediately and there’s physical evidence taken.
First of all, the supposed rapist can say “There was no rape”. At times, the physical evidence can make that seem unlikely. In particular if there’s evidence of violence and there’s semen, then it’s easy to believe that violence + sex = rape. But, if either of those is missing it’s hard to prove that a rape even occurred.
Second, the supposed rapist can say “It wasn’t me”. Before DNA analysis it was hard to prove who was at the scene. These days, if there’s semen at the scene at least you can say that a certain man was present and involved in something sexual.
Third, the supposed rapist can say “It was consensual”. Given that most of the time there are only 2 witnesses, it’s difficult to say which witness is lying and which is telling the truth. A jury might have a strong suspicion, but a strong suspicion isn’t “reasonable doubt”.
In the Epstein cases, you can at least sometimes eliminate the third objection. If the victims were underage, they couldn’t consent. But, that still leaves the other two major issues. Those are the ones that really require physical evidence. And, in these cases, the evidence is long gone. So, you can’t prove that a rape occurred using physical evidence, nor can you prove that a certain man was at the scene using physical evidence. What you’re left with is two witnesses using their flawed memory to recall details of something that happened a decade ago.
Maybe using flight logs and emails you can prove that Andrew was on the island at the same time as a victim. Maybe you can put Andrew in a photograph with the victim, showing that he had met her at some point. That’s enough to be very suspicious, but it’s not enough to get a rape conviction.
Now, you said “child sex trafficking” not rape. But, if anything, that’s even harder to prove. Step 1 of proving sex trafficking is probably proving the “sex” part, and that’s going to be extremely difficult a decade later without any physical evidence. As for the trafficking, you’d have to prove that certain people were moved to certain places. But, that would rely on accurate documents like flight logs listing everybody on a flight. But, we’ve seen that a lot of the flight logs are incomplete, or they don’t name the girls on the flights.
I’m sure there are powerful people trying to slow, stall or stop any attempt to prosecute anybody for what happened. But, at the same time, even if they were putting in a massive effort, it might not be possible to actually get a conviction anymore because too much time has passed and too much of the evidence is gone.
Because when the top people presiding over sex trafficking cases look in the mirror, they find 14 year old girls attractive too.
Because money and power are more important to people making decisions than doing things for the betterment of society.
Sadly the best people to lead are usually people who don’t want positions of power like that.
Not that anyone in the “royal” family did literally anything to get where they are…
Iirc, that was for sharing state secrets, not for being a pedophile rapist.
They got Al Capone on tax evasion.
They got Al Capone on tax evasion.
yeah because that’s what matters to the overlords: that they get a fair share of your profits, doesn’t matter where you got them from
Andy was released after 11 hours. The british “police” keep tradesmen in jail longer for having a utility knife on them.
Im going to hell for laughing at that Prince joke.
No you’re not.
I’m going to hell because I can’t find my wallet I think I left it there
Oh, cool. Do you also go to hell in the winter to escape the cold? I go every year
Better book now, the view condos are already taken.
Well I’m sure you could use the exercise.
Where is cannibalism mentioned?
There’s a restaurant called “Cannibal” mentioned, with “beef jerky” being one of their spotlighted food. There’s also more references to jerky. https://youtu.be/ghUNyJzLkfE
Most of those people are currently government officials in different countries around the world and they see Americans aren’t bothered by their high ranking criminals so they don’t bother with their own.
Don’t worry, they’ll get to it once the Panama Papers are dealt with 😎👍
Wouldn’t even be a far fetch to believe one of the reasons nothing happens around the Epstein papers are the assassinations of journalists who investigated the Panama papers…
Viewing justice as the punishment of the guilty is conservatism 101.
The real failure is that no legislation, law-enforcement, or court action has been taken to address why billionaires can snatch little girls off the street. The real failure is that rape is barely even illegal in the US, and it’s viewed as right and proper when powerful men have access to little girls the same way their wealth provides them with access to all rare and desirable objects.
This isn’t because our leaders are sick, it’s because our society is. These men didn’t steal our daughters, we sold them out, cheap. No amount of Presidents in prison will change that.
well let’s try putting a president in prison to test your theory in the meantime.
All right, how do you suggest we proceed?
destroy fecesbook, goolag and microslop, as a start. they are all contributing to sickening the society
How do you suggest we do that, as a start? Just “Destroy everything” isn’t a start, it’s a finish.
these companies are always operating as if they were above any regulations. lets enforce the regulations.
also break up these companies, each has lots of services that should be its own unrelated company, mostly because the big one has bought up small ones
there must be an alternative first; we need the fediverse to be good and reliable before facebook can go down. otherwise people are not gonna leave facebook
Heavily regulate Meta, Amazon, Microslop, and others as corporations, introducing consumer friendly regulations that curb the power these companies have over daily life, impose massive taxes on people who have over, let’s just say 650 million USD in assets (not just liquid money) and give the laws actual teeth. Fines based on percent gross income for the corporation and hold both the CEO AND board of directors accountable for the actions of the corporation as a whole, then remove the ability for non-human persons to make political contributions. Just for a start
Who’s gonna regulate them? Clearly “the people” aren’t up to the task, considering how free we let the Epstein pedoclass run rampant. Most of our paychecks rely on them. How do we regulate these corporations? And how many steps away from that is getting billionaires to stop fucking our children?
More of a middle than a start. How do we actually do those things? Do I have to sign paperwork? Do I have to come into the dealership?
People, especially online, are super good at the middle and end parts that they like to call “a start”. Terrible at actual starts, though.
man i don’t know im just a fuken carpenter. i get more depressed every day about the people we sent there to fix shit just deciding to get rich instead. fuck you i got mine until there’s nothing left to get.
I was raped as a child myself (Catholic gang not Epstein gang) you can go ahead and leave me right out of that “we”.
