• inari@piefed.zipEnglish
    100·
    9 days ago

    I feel like the meme got it backwards. People fussing over WMs in the middle, while newbies and veterans just using whatever comes by default on Fedora

    • roundabout@feddit.org
      2·
      7 days ago

      Too often I see desktops where the only two graphical apps are some ultralight terminal and Mozilla. Why do they want to suffer?

          • r0bi@infosec.pub
            1·
            6 days ago

            I’m considering trying Bazzite on a living room PC I’ll be setting up soon (HP Ryzen SFF that’s basically a small desktop Steamdeck)

          • biginjapan@lemmy.nzEnglish
            1·
            7 days ago

            It probably has a lot of benefits but I don’t think I could ever get used to immutable linux distros, especially since I really like customisability (I use Gentoo for a reason!!)

            • Damage@feddit.it
              2·
              7 days ago

              Yeah that was my thought too, but it turns out it was a misconception. It’s perfectly customisable, I can install whatever I want in multiple ways without messing up my system. Right now I’m running IDEs with multiple compilers, LLMs, diffusion models, 3D printing slicers, 3D modeling, etc…

    • mamg22@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      2·
      7 days ago

      Honestly yes. A few years ago when I was still getting into linux I’d customize the shit out of everything, wm with lengthy configuration, mostly terminal apps, “minimal” ui with custom made themes, and all that.

      My current fedora system is almost default Sway with a few convienent shortcuts and a few tweaks, using GUIs where it makes sense or simply because I just want something nice. I just don’t have time or the need for something so customized. Defaults are good.

      Heck, I’m even considering switching to Plasma once I get a better PC (gonna need to sell a kidney or two for that to happen tho), since default Sway still requires considerable tweaking and there’s a few quirks I just don’t want to deal with.

      • smeg@feddit.ukEnglish
        2·
        7 days ago

        I started on xfce because people said it was good for old systems. Turns out plasma runs fine on everything I’ve tried from the last 15 years!

        • zarkanian@sh.itjust.works
          2·
          7 days ago

          Yeah, KDE is “bloated”, but all that means is that there’s some stuff bundled that purists aren’t interested in. It doesn’t seem to affect the speed at all.

        • mamg22@sh.itjust.works
          2·
          7 days ago

          I’ve heard so too. Might be worth giving Plasma a shot on my current shitbox of a laptop to see if it can handle it. Though that thing (about 6 years old, btw) chokes on anything that involves graphics, so I don’t have any high hopes

      • Viceversa@lemmy.world
        6·
        9 days ago

        *heretics

        And I wouldn’t be so sure that light mode is more harmful than dark mode and not vice versa.

        • Axolotl@feddit.it
          10·
          9 days ago

          Depends on the ambiental conditions and the brightness; If you use dark mode outside? That’s kinda on you if you get eye strain

          • PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.socialEnglish
            3·
            8 days ago

            I miss the in-between default color scheme of Win95-XP. It felt like someone had actually sat down and thought about visibility and utility, even if the widgets did look overly utilitarian.

  • uniquethrowagay@feddit.org
    19·
    9 days ago

    GUI has the fundamental advantage that you can mostly find your way around without having to know commands, syntax, file paths etc. That’s a huge advantage for the vast majority of users.

    • drre@feddit.org
      9·
      8 days ago

      yea as much as like using the command line, I’m having a hard time remembering all the options required, especially with things i use rarely. the discoverability is just better in GUIs

      • dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works
        1·
        7 days ago

        Discoverabilty is the point. That’s what a GUI excels at. The focus of the terminal is “expressiveness” (I think that’s the commonly used word). It is usually clear when you need one vs the other: bulk or compound tasks, repetitive tasks, or very particular tasks are where the terminal excels.

        It sounds like you might benefit from man or tldr as a sidenote. Most people know man, but tldr is also a nice to have.

        • drre@feddit.org
          1·
          7 days ago

          yeah tldr is great. and the idea of expressiveness vs discoverability is something I’ve to think about. thanks!

          but i was more thinking about things like using ps2pdf to reduce the size of scanned (xsane) pdfs. remembering that ps2pdf can do this is difficult for me. i have my notes but it’s still cumbersome.

    • gandalf_der_13te@feddit.org
      2·
      7 days ago

      plus: most people learn graphically (visually) much easier than text-based. at least for me, it’s much easier to build an intuition of something if i get a graphical display of the contents in a directory. that’s why i always ls -alh every new directory that i enter, before i do anything else. for many people, it’s better to use GUI file explorer because you also get image previews etc. but the same concept also applies to other issues:

      like, if you want to configure various hardware on your machine, you open the settings app and get many icons that you can click on. meanwhile, on the terminal, there’s no clear list of things that you can even configure.

    • HerbGrower@slrpnk.net
      7·
      8 days ago

      Why is it constantly booting to a black screen with text?

      This is easy, just install steam and go

      Ahh the beauty of this Debian server, don’t even need to get out of my sofa because I have SSH on my phone.

      • sleet01@lemmy.ca
        5·
        8 days ago

        The HTC Dream was the peak of Phone SSH.

        There was no key combo I couldn’t input, no vim mode I couldn’t use!

        There was a VNC client! I could RDP to Windows machines!

        I could have even used EMACS!

        I mean, I wouldn’t, I’m not some kind of monster, but I could have, and that’s what’s important!

  • DonutsRMeh@lemmy.world
    14·
    8 days ago

    I think it’s just been stigmatized by society as a whole for some mysterious reason. Didn’t a lot of our grandmothers slashed through terminals like fruit ninjas back in the day?

    • zarkanian@sh.itjust.works
      1·
      7 days ago

      It was stigmatized by Windows, because the Windows terminal was terminally shitty. People swear to me that their new terminal is awesome, but I have my doubts. Microsoft seems to have a problem with making stuff that doesn’t suck.

    • BartyDeCanter@piefed.socialOPEnglish
      10·
      8 days ago

      Heck yeah they did! I remember going over to my grandmothers house to use Word on her computer running DOS. She used that computer to keep her personal budget, do the accounting for her office supply business, write letters, and the newsletters for her church and social clubs. No gui, just a command line and some things that we would now call a TUI.

  • db2@lemmy.world
    13·
    9 days ago

    My dream is the Linux kernel with the BeOS/Haiku filesystem and display system on top. It could easily put Wayland to shame and gaming would be pretty awesome.

    My other dream is Haiku having as much hardware and software support as modern Linux. Imagine running a version of qemu kvm on an os that already screams.

    Neither will happen but I can still wish.

      • Ascend910@lemmy.mlEnglish
        5·
        9 days ago

        Omg this is so peak gonna be my next distro hop fixation.
        They are about to get a lot of github pull requests

    • dismay3915@lemmy.world
      2·
      8 days ago

      Can you explain why are you fond of haiku? What are it’s strong points?

      I had it in a VM, and liked the UI design. It was retro and unique. but that’s about it.

      • lime!@feddit.nu
        10·
        8 days ago

        the big one for me is tagged filesystems. they exist on other oses but beos embraced them fully, and haiku does the same.

        “music” is no longer a directory, but a view of your filesystem that shows everything tagged “music”. you want everything from an artist, or a year, or a genre? just create that directory and they’re in there.

        • dismay3915@lemmy.world
          2·
          8 days ago

          Hmmmm. The tagging approach seems interesting.

          Turns fs structure from tree hierarchy to graph hierarchy

      • db2@lemmy.world
        5·
        8 days ago

        The filesystem is basically a database and files have associated metadata like a description or whatever, searches are nearly instant. The email app for example uses this, I’ve never seen anything even come close to how well this worked.

        Under the hood it uses a server model for pretty much everything.

        The programming APIs are elegant.

        There’s a lot to it you wouldn’t have noticed immediately by just starting it and opening a few apps.

  • mhague@lemmy.world
    13·
    8 days ago

    GUI is simpler because you have to remember a sequence of steps for every action you want to take and then memorize a bunch of keyboard shortcuts and then do it all again when they reinvent their product in two weeks.

    CLI requires you to learn how your system is structured and where things are located and then you create scripts that last years. Not everyone wants to put in a bunch of effort just to use their computer.

    Anyways Firefox just updated and they moved “save to collection” and a few other things so now I need to relearn some stuff. I hope my other apps don’t reinvent themselves anytime soon. Every update I know how to use them less and less.

          • gandalf_der_13te@feddit.org
            2·
            7 days ago

            i used AI last week to modify the characters that get produced when i type special key combinations on my keyboard. after looking with classical search engines (duckduckgo, google) for about 20 minutes and getting confused with not much of a clear answer, i asked chatgpt and got the task done in 15 minutes and learned a whole lot while doing it, because it also explained exactly why the files are the way they are.

      • dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works
        1·
        7 days ago

        I think that depends how you define “regular user”.

        (I assume this is like regulars in a “well regulated militia” right?)

    • remotelove@lemmy.ca
      10·
      9 days ago

      Flags have always been poorly standardized outside of system apps and tools. Generally, -u should equal --update (and depending on how the app was written, may warn for --up: “Did you mean --update?”) Single tick flags are generally combinable: -ua or -ls. I have seen long single tick flags somewhere, but can’t remember where. (Your -update example.) Various python libraries than handle flags have helped a ton with getting people to use the same patterns, so that is nice.

      You just summed up my first experience with systemd many years ago.

      systemctl != sysctl. Both somehow got wedged into the same index in my brain and took years for me to correct. On top of that, <service> <action> was reversed to <action> <service>. (Or was it the other way around?)

      I was convinced from my first experience with systemd that the person who wrote it was the purest form of evil. (It’s leveled out a bit over the years, so it’s tolerable to use these days. Still not a fan though.)

      • MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip
        1·
        8 days ago

        On top of that, <service> <action> was reversed to <action> <service>. (Or was it the other way around?)

        Especially if you switch between multiple init systems.

    • gole@lemmy.zip
      6·
      9 days ago

      You should try “the fuck”. Wrong command? Just type fuck! It will fix itself. 100% AI free.

  • Nyadia@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    9·
    8 days ago

    Me, not being a programmer or sysadmin or whatever, booting into TTY just for shits and giggles, playing videos via mpv with -vo=tct just cause I think it looks funny

    • Hugh@programming.dev
      1·
      7 days ago

      my poor cpu. You don’t even need to use -vo=tct as mpv will draw to the frame buffer if x server is not available. There’s also fbi and fbpdf for displaying images and pdfs to the frame buffer

    • insomniac_lemon@lemmy.cafeEnglish
      1·
      8 days ago

      Neat. Nearly watchable. I tried kitty/sixel options but those are too high-res and cause even more frame-drops (at least on the older hardware I tested it on, no drops playing with normal mpv), with a 360p video it’s isn’t scaled up.

      Then again, I guess it’s a whole lot more watchable than the blinkenlights (Starwars) thing via telnet.

  • Willie169@infosec.pub
    8·
    8 days ago

    I’m a CLI enjoyer. It’s easier for me to define what I often do as a bash function than to remember which button to click in a GUI app. It’s easier for me to copy paste a StackOverflow answer than to zoom the screenshot only to find out that the UI has changed. And I’m too lazy to move my mouse when I can do it with a Neovim keymap.