White Nationalists #nazis showed up in Kamloops today to protest ahead of Truth and Reconciliation Day.
I hate Illinois Nazis
They have always been angry. They hate minorities, change, acceptance, reason, etc. You can protest corruption, stagnation, crime, illegal immigration, etc without masks, without fear, without intimidation. These people are not healthy or normal for a functional society.
While I dislike what those individuals stand for, their attitude and their ignorance, I do not think violence towards them will change things for better but rather aggravate things.
One has to look at the root of the problem. Why are they angry etc.? Fact that we have vast economic disparity within our society breeds this kind of behavior. When resources are plenty and everyone gets their fair share and doesn’t need to live loan-to-loan people don’t usually care about exclusion of others (well, there are always zealots with loose screws) and those movements to not gain traction. Look at fascism in last century: it has risen on the back of economic collapse of society when it became easy to accept “you can’t eat because he took your food” kind of messaging.
Bottom line to stamp out those thugs we need to change our society drastically with a sharp turn left but we’re keep on veering to the right with each election, which will end up in violence one way or another. Someone however has to be focused on the target though: political and economic system in Canada is broken and needs to be rebuilt, until then we will be miserable and thugs will proliferate
I dunno. I count about… 17 maybe 20 guys? One frag grenade ought to do it. I’m willing to test if violence towards them won’t change anything.
I guess you didn’t grow up in one of these racist, white nationalist families. As someone who did, your whole blame shifting scenario is absurd. My uncles believe they have a birthright as white men. And they are violently furious that they aren’t thriving, at the top of the food chain. Obviously they are proudly MAGA. Of course they aren’t thriving, lol, we’re not from Texas, Kansas or Nebraska. Their racism ( and sexism) is at insane levels that I guess you can’t even fathom… The loudest laughter I ever heard at a family gathering came when my uncle told this joke: “I don’t have a problem with N@##@rs, I think everyone should own one.” Ha ha ha. There is no nuance here. To older men in my family, if you are a (stupid, because they all are) women, gay, or brown, or liberal, or Jewish, Muslim or atheist…you are filth. And any suggestion that you are equal deserves immediate, violent response. Sound crazy? Lucky you. I know from experience that kind of family and upbringing is not rare, or strange. It’s rampant. Just pick a random American church to visit. The “root”, as you say of the problem, is that they are terrible people, completely lacking character. They should be disenfranchised, sterilized and have their children taken from them. That’s right. I said it. Democracy can’t work if people that mean and stupid can vote. RFK and Trump are what you get if you don’t have the stomach for stomping on cockroaches. We need a " Great Proletarian Cultural Democratic Revolution" The USA failed at reconstruction and needs to take another crack at it in earnest. Nationalize Palantir. Stamp out the Idiocracy future.
one caveat: I was talking about Canada where those things are not so deep-rooted
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We already tried that… you can’t kill an idea or a reactionary movement
“Study history to understand how to prevent the rise of nazism in the first place? Nah… i’d much rather threaten to kill people than use my brain.”
Fascism should be stamped out quickly. Otherwise we’ll end up like the states.
My favourite Nazis are 6 feet under. These clowns should join them.
Fuck Nazis. Fuck fascism. Fuck these cowards.
Bunch of fucking losers.
I’ll be a lot more concerned if and when they become so comfortable they don’t hide under masks anymore.
If their cause is so noble, why hide their faces?
There are a few reports coming in from this thread. I’m open to changing my mind on any of the following, but the reason why I haven’t taken action on a few of the reports is as follows:
I think that it is both valid to question why these people are covering their faces, while also noting that covering your face isn’t “bad” in all cases. The same comment (“if they think they’re right, why hide their faces”) is also used against protestors when they push against the government. Based on the context, I think that’s the point that the other users in this thread wanted to make, but did so poorly. I don’t think those other users are in support of the white nationalists in the post, but rather they picked a bad example.
The difference between the two situations comes down to why the face is covered and what power that serves. Generally:
- In rallies such as this, the face covering is for intimidation and group identity, and using anonymity to threaten the targeted minority group. It is also intended to hide the person from their community members, because of shame and embarrassment.
- In protests, the face covering is to avoid retaliation from the authority figures that the person is protesting against. They rarely hide their thoughts and feelings about the matter from their community members.
Again, there is some overlap, but that it is why it’s usually more valid to criticize the former and not the latter.
As for the second argument, I think there is a misunderstanding between ‘human trafficking’ and ‘human smuggling’. Human trafficking is almost always defined as the exploitative practice, where the person being moved is being harmed. Human smuggling can take different forms, but it is not necessarily harming the person being moved. The example of the Underground Railroad and the networks that help refugees and victims escape harm, those would fall under the label of “Human Smuggling”, but the terms are often confused.
So overall I think the issues in this thread come from users making errors, rather than malice, and so I haven’t taken specific moderation actions. But again, open to changing my mind and taking action if more info is brought to light.
The underground railroad needed anonymity.
I don’t agree with your argument.
Just about the falsest of equivalences that ever false-equivalenced. The Underground Railroad was humans trying to survive unspeakable conditions, it formed spontaneously, out of necessity. Nazism is humans trying to bring back those unspeakable conditions, it forms by choice, out of hatred and fear. The consequence of UR members losing their anonymity was torturous death for themselves and their loved ones, the consequences of these shitstains losing their anonymity is, at most, justified social ostracization. If the world knowing what you really believe means good, reasonable people think you’re a piece of shit, maybe it’s time to reflect on those beliefs, eh?
So you see how face covering isn’t the problem right?
Two entirely different functions, one of which requires anonymity by default. What a silly comparison.
This is a demonstration not an underground resistance movement. They’re supposed to be proudly demonstrating what they believe.
The point is that the nobility of the event isn’t what defines being hidden or not.
You can find other demonstrations against oppressors that require hiding identity from those oppressors.
Just because you lack the ability to disagree with Nazis on a moral or political basis doesn’t mean empty platitudes should be celebrated.
The Underground Railroad wasn’t in the business of swaying politics
It absolutely was about fighting a political fight.
This is the hill you die on? Really?
I don’t really care if the people that think the problem with fascist movements is anonymity don’t know what politics are.
Trafficking people was the only political tool they had to fight against oppression at the time, they weren’t able to lead to a larger change in society so they were reserved to impacting change on an individual level.
Trafficking people
Are you still talking about the underground railroad?
the underground railroad was moving people illegally, sure the people consented but so do quite a few human trafficking victims (intially).
Given that’s what you were replying to, what else do you think I would be talking about?
Lol
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Screaming about masks during Covid, hiding behind them during MAGA. So brave.
Sorry, this is Canada, eh?
Bad news, MAGA is totally in Canada. that’s what wexit is about. americans are funding the propaganda driving wexit
I’m willing to bet many of them are supporters of the orange moron too.
All over the world they dress the same. Interesting.
They are all controlled by the same narrator.
Not much different than pop cultures tbh.
What a bunch of fascist bitches
Only good Nazi is a dead Nazi.
Sorry can’t kill an ideology with violence only create martyr and future flare up this is a job for education and address socioeconomic factors that allow vulnerable people to be sucked into supremacist gangs.
Idiot.
Two truths that are not in conflict with each oner: 1) fascism is a systemic issue and as ideology will outlive any individual; 2) fascist individuals should not be tolerated
Idk, it worked pretty well in the 1940s.
“They say the prisoner of Spandau was a symbol of defeat Whilst Hess remained in prison, and the fascists they were beat
So the promise of an Aryan world wold never materialize
So why did they all come out of the woodwork on the day the Nazi died” - Chumbawumba
(We didn’t kill enough Nazis the first time)
The world is riddled with maggots and the maggots are getting fat.
Love that song and Chumbawumba is the best punk band ever.
Did it? WWII worked well? 100 million. Dead. Huge economic ruin.
Yet the decades after were the most prosperous in the history of the human race. Sounds like it was worth it.
Not so. Not remotely. You know when the other most prosperous times were? After plagues, famines, wars, and other mass deaths. Not the gloat you wish it was.
Not the gloat you wish it was
Except what I said, which was “the most prosperous in the history of the human race” is 100% true. Quality of life for essentially everyone in the entire world went up in the 2nd half of the 20th century way beyond what they were before, even in countries like North Korea and Somalia. Advancements in technology, medicine, and globalization brought wealth to billions, much of which was due to the world order brought about by the allied powers.
Also, not sure why you think fighting fascism in that war was such a bad thing. Do you really think we’d be better off if the Nazis were not opposed?
Half your point is that is was bad for the economy?
That’s not how points of logic work. You only need one. If you reject some of them and others remain, you haven’t gotten anywhere except to be a distraction. Didn’t move the discussion anywhere.
then explain 2026
Sure.
70 years after we fought a war to defeat fascism, it has been resurrected under the guise of American conservative populisim, in no small part because people have forgotten the lesson of WWII.I mean, if you’re under the impression that we can somehow defeat fascism for all time then never ever have to worry about it ever again, then you’ll be sadly disappointed. Freedom requires vigilance.
I understand how that’s an appealing narrative that helps you make sense of the world and manage your feelings, and in that sense it is a very good narrative. But it’s not reality. The solution you’re so proud of requires a mass purge every three generations, and you think that’s just the way it has to be. Fully buying in to a narrative built around a cosmic conflict between good and evil FFS is buying in to the whole model of fascism. The ruling class WANTS the slaughter, the boom, the crunch, the conflict, and the next slaughter. Every step in the cycle, they ratchet their power and wealth. It’s not an accident that it keeps happening, and the solution isn’t just to play your role on the other side of the stage. It isn’t naive kids playing nazi who are your enemy, you naive kid playing WWII conscript. Fascism never ever occurs in the absence of wealthy capitalists. Shooting their employees doesn’t fucking solve anything.
Well I hate to break it to you, but you’ll never truly stamp out fascist ideology permanently for the rest of time. It must be continously fought against. Every generation needs to be educated to oppose it, and when it takes power it needs to be stamped out and destroyed, with violence if necessary.
It isn’t naive kids playing nazi who are your enemy,
YES, IT IS. Because “naive kids” grow up to be full fledged fascist adults. I’ll give you an example: 4chan.
Yes, 4chan is the reason why we have all these nazis running around. But back in 2003 one could actually get banned from 4chan for being racist. Moot used to periodically go through and perge all those assholes because he didn’t want his website turning into a white supremacist hang-out. See all the kids today are too young to remember, but back in the day if you ran a website, or a forum, chatroom, whatever, it was only a matter of time before the nazis and white supremacists showed up. They would congregate at places that had minimal moderation (this is how Club Penguin became overrun with white supremacists.) Then 4chan went with a “containment” policy, to isolate all that shit to /b/ but by 2015 it was too late. The neo-fascist movement, the Groypers, Gamergate, Incels, the Men’s rights assholes, all those people wouldn’t exist if it weren’t for 4chan. That’s where white supremacy took root online and spread like a cancer through everything else.
Well how did this happen? Because a significant number of the 22 million people who frequent 4chan every month are children. They get to say edgy stuff and act all rebellious, and it’s all fun and games, until it isn’t. Now we’re at a point where white supremacy is so common that leaked group chats for the Young Republicans read like fucking Mien Kampf. I’ve already gone on too long, but I’m pretty sure you get the point I’m making about indoctrination and desensitation.
So yes, it is very much “kids playing nazi” who are the enemy, and the assholes encouraging them to play even more so.
The ruling class WANTS the slaughter, the boom, the crunch, the conflict, and the next slaughter.
Well once you figure out how to stop war forever please let me know, I’ll be the first to listen. But it ain’t by playing nice with fascists.
Yea but it’s fun though. And most of these Nazis are middle class and have most of the world handed to them.
If you can afford to dress like a Nazi you can afford to not be a fucking Nazi.
Racism is the ideology of the moron
Society works because human evolution happens at the rate of learning and communicating new behaviors – exponentially faster and more effective than genetic evolution. The human genome has changed exceptionally little for hundreds of thousands of years, and so called “race” is the fantasy nonsense that its somehow possible to tell the contents of a person’s mind just by the light bouncing of their skin.
I don’t think its enough to call it stupid, we gotta start attacking the root assumptions that drive the ideology.
Sure, but how do you stop a moron from perpetuating their destructive stupidity?
It’s about their capacity to understand and behave reasonably. We got a long way to go.
You start with education. It’s not enough to just negate something (“racism bad”) you gotta replace it with a different idea. Otherwise it just sprouts back up. You would not believe the number of well meaning teenagers who’ve told me eugenics is actually a good idea if we could just do selective breeding programmes without the racism.
I do agree it starts with education, but I think we need to tackle more of a fundamental element of teaching people how to be a reasonable human that isn’t so easily jerked around by their base emotions. Otherwise stupid ideas will still reach and resonate with stupid people and the danger of creating a moron is still high.
It seems like, in a way, you’re suggesting that I’m over-simplifying the issue but I think you’ve misunderstood me, and it’s ironic that I’m suggesting that your idea is the one that doesn’t go far enough.
But I like calling them big dumb doo-doo heads.
Your way requires reading and shit.
It should be legal for anyone to punch a nazi.
With a baseball bat. Right in the nose.
weird their protest sign is just a black man
I’m probably getting wooshed, but that’s a Canadian crosswalk sign.
It really looks like a sign being held up among the flags
It really does! I had to zoom in…
Imagine refusing so hard to take responsibility for your own life that you will blame all minorities instead of looking in a fucking mirror.
In their defense, it is hard to look in a mirror when you have a white hood on.
