• deege@lemmy.ca
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    3 days ago

    We (collectively) gave them a chance. They’ve proven unable to keep promises or work for the best interest of all Canadians in good faith. The time to start prepping to beat them is now.

    My MNA did not respond to my letter on C-2almost two months ago.

    I’m going to work to make sure he’s not re-elected.

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      3 days ago

      It hasn’t even been a year!!! Sheesh!

      Edit: I can’t believe we’re here already. At a point where we already want a new government, I mean. But I warned people during the elections that they were going to be disappointed after voting liberal.

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        Well most Canadians don’t want a new government and are happy with Carney. Us here just see the trend signs early and where they’re gonna lead ahead of time.

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          Really?? Canadians are happy with him? That’s not the vibe I’m getting. Even my parents who are hard core liberals are disappointed.

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            It’s been 34 seconds since the election. Like my god, I mean I don’t think I was super excited to vote Liberal (have I ever been?), but holy friggin hell it’s been like .2 seconds. Let’s give the guy some breathing room.

            Things are in flux, and quite chaotic. I don’t care who you are, or what color you rep. Whether it’s green, purple, red, blue or manure brown. This timeline we are on is for the birds, and you got nothing to win here, everything to lose.

            He’s not done everything I’ve wanted him to either, he’s definitely made what I think history will likely show as some misteps on his negotiations with the Americans but yikes, give the guy some runway. Meanwhile his adversary has been parading around central Alberta the past month. Riding an ATV without a helmet and pretending he’s a cowboy, in a riding that would declare an empty bucket of paint as grand emperor as long as it promised to be a racist, anti-abortion, anti vax piece of shit. That’s what it’s taken him to have a voice. So do you think he’d be any better? What about Jagmeet or the NDP. Where are the NDP? Probably hiding with Nenshi in Alberta, because ain’t no one seen him lately either.

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              Yeah but Jagmeet stepped down. He’s no longer the party leader for the NDP.

              Yeah the Cons are worst, but only on a moral level. Because so far the Liberal party has been on the same level as the Cons economically. Cutting government jobs to cut costs, working with oil companies to push for a big oil pipeline project to sell to Europe. Eroding our rights to privacy with a Canadian version of the Patiot act. Not applying counter tarrifs on American resources, to the advantage of the American economy and our detriment. I mean, those things will have lasting consequences. And that’s just the first impression he’s giving.

              I don’t think I want to wait to see what comes next.

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            The last approval I saw which was a week or two ago was over 50 percent. Don’t know how it’s moved since.

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          Quote true but at least they would not be passing all these draconian laws taking all our rights away.

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            Of course, but they would never be elected. I would 100% vote for NDP if they had a glimmer of chance, they did so bad their party almost disappeared.

            It was a vote against the conservatives, who would cause direct harm to our independence and marginalized communities.

            What we have here is a different kind of evil. Neither evils are acceptable, but it is a quantifiably lesser evil. We, as the people, have to twist their arms to make them do our bidding.

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              That is how I voted hoping liberals might be less evil. I just wonder now if there is any differences between these 2 evils anymore.

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                You had a choice between Shit and Shit Light. Giant douche and a Turd Sandwich.

                I mean it beats the alternative down south. Not sure those folks are going to really have an opportunity to have a choice anymore, the way events are unfolding.

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              That’s just stupid. If everybody simply thinks that, of course it’ll never happen. We have to change this mentality.

              Also, I honestly think a minority conservative government with a strong NDP with whom the Liberals would’ve had to work with would’ve been a better outcome than this.

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                We need to get rid of FPTP, which the liberals promised to do years ago.

                The NDP might get rid of FPTP, but we were not guaranteed a strong NDP this election, so we may have simply ended up with a CON / LIB government had we voted for NDP in greater numbers.

                We should chat about this over Matrix if you’re willing :) I think both viewpoints are valid, it’s really just a question of risk to reward.

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                Um…I hate to be the person to tell you, on the last paragraph…so I mean the last four years…the Liberals and NDP…yeah. And that didn’t go so hot.

                NDP is an absolute train wreck, and has been for quite some time save for some really tiny glimmers of hope here and there. As much as I dislike the current landscape, and as much as I don’t feel represented, I’m quite sure the NDP wasn’t the answer either.

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                  Train wreck?

                  They were the 3rd party in a minority Liberal government with the Cons as official opposition. And they STILL managed to pass a few of their bills that improved the quality of life of middle class Canadians. That’s a win in my book. Unfortunately the Libs took credit for what they did.

                  But people also forget the dynamic of a minority gouvernent and how they have to make compromises between each other. And so the NDP got shit on for essentially working with the Libs. But how else would they have gotten anything passed? They made made compromises on both sides, but somehow the NDP got the blame.

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                    On the last part, that’s how minority governments work. The NDP were just puppets, used for their votes, and nothing more. Sure they were made to feel like the popular kid, but you are right, they took the fall on anything unpopular. They maybe even got a few things done, but did they really? That pharmacy care coverage thing for example, it’s been such a shoddy implementation and some of the provinces are ignoring it. It’s almost like it was designed not to work…

                    Meanwhile the Liberals got almost four solid years of gears, thanks to the Dippers.

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          They would still have been better than wherever the fuck we have right now. They wouldn’t have voted to force the return to work of the Air Canada employees for one.

          They would also have put pressure on provincial governments to improve public healthcare services instead of letting them fuck over the system to push for private services. Etc.

          They would’ve been so much better. Even if they are a mess.

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            …how would they have won is my question.

            There was near 0% probability of them winning, and almost 50% probability of the cons winning.

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              Well if the left in this country could stop nitpicking and waiting for the perfect candidate / party to show up and instead give them a chance for once…

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      Yeah, basically. We did the lesser evil given the scenario at that point in time. Now we have to position the alternative to be in a viable state by the election. Failing that, it’ll be the lesser evil again.

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        Maybe I’m nuts but far as I am concerned Carney is not any different than rump at this point. The only difference I see between liberal and conservative now is the conservatives admit they want fascist shit. Carney and gang a slinking around pretending.

        I will never vote liberal again in my life. The trust has been broken.

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          Well they’re similar in some regards and different in others. Apart from the cons being actively harmful towards various marginalized groups, here’s how they might differ in handling this labour dispute. In the lib case, we have them going through the legal framework with the union and Air Canada, and they wanted force arbitration, which while not as good as the union could get would have likely produced meaningful improvements to the workers’ contract. A con like PP would have likely said that the union has been infiltrated by radical woke left lunatics and no longer serves the interests of the workers. He would have then singled out these workers as unreasonable and bad, and gone on to say how they are harming the rest of the good workers with their strike. Then he’d go hard on them in various ways. For example by emergency amending labour law to make it easy to bust the union, as well as others in the future, and to make it more difficult to organize in the first place. If he were extra nasty, he could have picked up some of the pro-Palestine messages said by various CUPE leaders and declare it/them supporters of terrorism or some shit like that and sanction them from that avenue as well. With this in mind, consider that the state can do a lot more to make life difficult for workers and while the libs aren’t doing nearly enough to avoid us descending into fascism, the cons under someone like PP won’t be afraid to use their power to increase labour exploitation at behest of their donors. Either way we need a strong, unapologetically worker-focused NDP but the libs aren’t nearly anti-worker as the PP cons would likely be.

    • setVeryLoud(true);@lemmy.caOP
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      Can you provide us with a template and list of addresses to mail these grievances to? I’d like to mail my MNA as well.