But not alcohol or anything else…I wonder what demographic he’s trying to target

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      In fairness to them, a lot of guntube, gunsexual youtubers, are clinically dissecting every aspect of Charlie Kirk’s assasination.

      Long story short: Tyler Robinson is almost certainly a patsy, there was almost certainly a shooter up and to Kirk’s right, from nearly 90 degrees, thats where the shot came from, it is physically impossible that the damage seen, and reported in the autopsy, was caused by a 30.06 from almost straight in front of him.

      Almost every single detail about the scenario as presented by the FBI is completely impossible to make work all together.

      A lot of guntube is very, very pissed about this, they know the administration is blatantly and obviously lying to them and everyone.

      And no, I am not going to bother arguing the validity of this with any more idiots who know nothing about firearms, these guntubers are correct, I am just pointing out that… there is actually some motion there, from the 2A crowd.

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      Trump also passed the bump stock ban in his first term. New federal gun regulations under Obama and Biden combined: 0

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        We’re going to take the firearms first and then go to court, because that’s another system. Because a lot of times by the time you go to court … it takes so long to go to court to get the due process procedures. I like taking the guns early, like in this crazy man’s case that just took place in Florida; he had a lot of fires [and] they saw everything. To go to court would have taken a long time, so you could do exactly what you’re saying but take the guns first, go through due process second.

        -President Donald J Trump

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        Yep, most of the major Second Amendment restrictions have happened under the Second Amendment presidents. Reagan, Bush, Trump.

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          Clinton passed the Brady bill and an AW ban so let’s not pretend that didn’t happen but yeah, Repubs do wtf they want and the NRA bootlickers keep licking boots.

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            Oh sure. No one’s denying that. I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy of it. As fucked as the NRA is, you can at least expect them to act consistently with what’s in the best interest of the gun sales lobby. Second Amendment people in general not so much.

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              gun sales lobby

              NRA has been pretty credibly shown to be nothing but a Russian divisionist arm. They really dont care about gun sales, just social unrest

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          unsafe and stupid, like crank triggers and cmags and all sorts of silly rambo shit 2a idiots like to fetishize.

          fuck I think anyone trying to call a 5.56 rifle cut down into ‘pistol’ form should have their fucking heads examined, that is by far the dumbest shit I’ve ever seen. “oh it’s the atf’s fault for having loopholes in their rules” yeah, because no one in their right minds would call a rifle w/o the buffer tube a fucking pistol.

          basically the entire gun fetish is dumb. you want to fuck with guns, explosives and hurt people? get fucking paid for the experience mate, the military is happy to train. but no, the ice lardasses can’t even do 15 pushups or run 1.5 miles in 16 minutes lol. but they want their guns un huhhhnn

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            The rifle as a tool is just as safe as a log splitter, wood chipper, machete, drone, or the 3000lbs car you hurdle down the highway at 80mph. It’s the operator of those things that can be dangerous.

            Bumpstocks, however, make the weapon discharge unexpectedly and is stupid to own or operate.

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              I hate that argument. I think we can all agree that while all items you listed can be dangerous… Only one is manufactured to intentionally be a weapon. I haven’t seen very many wood chipper attacks on schools lately.

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                …but you’ve seen a rifle take itself to school and start blasting? Recently I’ve seen a guy plow a car into a group of peaceful protesters and I’ve seen a pack of drones fly themselves into Russian bombers.

                Even countries that don’t allow citizen weapons are armed to the teeth because their neighbors are as well. The first time I saw an assault rifle in real life was on some sort of police at a TGV station in France… and if your argument is “yeah but they’re trained police and militaries”, those are some of the most unhinged and unstable people I’ve ever met.

                I know we need stricter gun control laws, and I know that societies without citizen weapons have lower to no mass shootings. I know we need free/low cost healthcare. I’m arguing that there’s nothing more dangerous about a rifle over other things in your garage but bump stocks make a rifle dangerous and unpredictable.

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                  I’m not going to argue about who should or shouldn’t be permitted to own firearms. I grew up around them and in general don’t have issue with them. (On a side note: I do have a problem with firearm tough guy culture) I do however think it’s silly to pretend they aren’t manufactured as weapons and pretend that normal tools and objects are on the same level as them. They are designed to kill.

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              A machine specifically designed to kill is not a “tool”, unless you count it as a tool of destruction.

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                Counterpoint… Hunting and gathering. That animal you’re eating didn’t kill itself. My trowel kills some of the plants I’m harvesting, and a fruit starts to die once it’s cut from the vine. Destruction is necessary in life. It isn’t automatically an “evil” word. We as a species wouldn’t exist without destruction, death, and decomposition.

                Now, whether the existence of humans at all is a good thing, is a question for Nietzsche and Douglas Adams. We aren’t the greatest.

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              Funny you compare fire arms to cars, because I believe that both fit in the category of “things your average person should not have in public”. I want more regulation on guns AND cars.

              And just because nitrous mods are illegal, doesn’t make your average car any safer.

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                Agreed. Fuck cars. Going from LA to SD on the train is so much more peaceful, has WiFi, 120v, the right of way, and beautiful views.

                About nitrous, I knew an Impala guy that pulled us out of the office one day and opened his trunk and points to a spare tire on top of a perfectly carpeted and mounted box. Says “do you know what that is?” Ummm, you’re hiding your no2 from the cops? “How did you know!?” Idiot.