Since Trump’s election, gun groups catering to progressives and people of color report a surge in interest as they look to defend themselves in a country that, to them, feels increasingly unstable.
Lifelong anti-gun libtard here.
I’ve been doing my research and talking to friends with guns so I can begin the process of arming myself.
Fascism is here and I passed my history classes. I know where this is going. It’s time to make sure you, and everyone you know, is armed to the teeth.
If things keep escalating, which they will, because that’s what fascists do, then there will come a day when they attempt to prevent anyone who registered/voted Democrat from purchasing firearms.
Buy them. Now.
Never voted for any Republican anything my entire life. Have been buying guns for myself and my family for over a decade.
Please share your viewpoint with those in your circle of influence, as we will need more of this going forward.
Also, don’t just buy a pistol. Buy a shotgun and a rifle.
Be safe.
To shoot ICE in their stupid fat faces.
As they come crashing though your door.
Specifically. You can’t afford anything but the most crystal clear case of self defence.
That won’t save you, but if ICE is crashing through your door, you probably aren’t making it anyway.
They’re pretty incompetent, but also, it does present significant deterrence to ICE especially if people aren’t charged for legal self defence.
I still think this is mostly about defending yourself from emboldened neighbors though.
Liberals, LGBTQ, whoever else was mentioned in this headline should have been training with guns for years at this point. The writing has been on the wall for a while.
I was anti-gun until I was 37. That’s when I realized it doesn’t matter about my political viewpoint regarding guns, the right has been using it as leverage for my entire life.
I’m 42 now. I got my first rifle when I was 38. I got my first shotgun when I was 39. I got my first pistol when I was 40. I go bi-weekly to the range.
The writer of the article should try harder to not confuse “interest” with preparation. This shit is an unwelcome use of my free time, but I’m probably a better shot than 90% of MAGA at this point.
As someone who used to create judgemental use of force firearm training simulators for law enforcement, I can tell you right now you’re likely a better shot than 90% of our police force too.
Yikes, that makes me feel uneasy. Do they not train on a regular basis?
By policy, it’s different per police organization. But overwhelmingly the biggest orgs only force training once a year. And the metrics they use to pass for accuracy and use are lower than most concealed carry courses.
…they do if you can believe it.
I thought they did too, that’s why I’m not so sure that I’m the better shot. I was thinking that I’m maybe on par with someone else that trains regularly.
Just following up from my previous answer: MOST officers only need to pass training on use of firearms once a year. It does vary per department, and some officers use their access to training and ranges to hone their skills. But MOST of them only follow the guidelines, and most guidelines only require recertifying firearm use once a year.
The writing has been on the wall for a while
I saw this coming when the tea party appeared. Moved my wife and daughters out of the US in 2015 for precisely this reason. When I lived there I owned a rifle and a shotgun, not because I thought I’d need to defend myself against criminals or immigrants, but because I thought there was a pretty good chance I’d have to defend myself against right wingers.
Concur, I saw it back then too. I wanted to leave but didn’t have the financial resources to do so at the time. Now that I have the resources, I’m too old for most places. The way I see it now is that I’m pretty much just hanging around so that my parents don’t have to outlive their children. I bought my rifle and shotgun for the same reason you had yours. I’ve been hearing threats from the right AT LEAST since the 1990s. It’s always been threats…
We are lucky. I’m Australian and lived in the US from 2005 to 2015, so it was easy for us to move. I think what really tipped my wife over the edge was going to watch our daughter’s kindergarten class Christmas concert on the day of the Sandy Hook shooting. That was the most surreal experience of my life, just typing it now still chokes me up a bit. It’s fucking sad, because there was a lot that I loved about the states.
Every american should be familiar with how guns work because we have to live in a country with more guns than people. Imagine if you’ve never drove, been inside, or even seen a real car your entire life then one day you have to cross a NYC street. Its hard to be safe without the right knowledge.
Every american should be familiar with how guns work
anddd that’s why i don’t goto the USA
Yes do a gun safety course first in your home country
no because i dont hunt so i dont need to use guns.
I don’t hunt either, but shooting can be fun.
They said need.
They clearly arent interested in it for fun.
I read it as they think they need to have a need for something to justify having it. I disagree with that premise.
You can be performatively afraid of something you will likely never have an issue with for no other reason than a thing existing, that’s fine and your prerogative.
But most people here already know you are far less likely to even have issues with entry into the US or with the people who live here than even media is making it out. Millions of people from all continents pass in and out of the US daily. You’re in far more danger being a grade-school or high-school student in the US than a foreign traveler or visitor.
To the kiddoes who get down this far, there are 500 million citizens in the US and murder is still rare enough that it makes the news. Not always, but often. While other countries have less violent crime, broadly our whole world is at an all-time low in violence despite what your local for-profit media company wants you to think. Yes, the US has woefully outdated gun laws, but our primary problem here is fear. The same fear that makes you think the US is a violent wasteland of shootouts on every corner, that’s the same fear that makes people here cling to guns. You’re not hurting me by whinging that you will “never set foot in the US” I literally do not care, so ask yourself who you’re performing for, and if you’re just needlessly adding to the narratives of fear, and why it makes you feel good to do so. Who do you want to feel bad and why?
performatively afraid
I can’t get over how this is phrased. It feels so dismissive.
That would be because I am dismissing it.
Blocked
How ever will I recover from this blow
I don’t think someone could have proved your point about performative behavioirs faster than that. They even felt the need to announce their block so no one would miss out on their preformance lmfao.
Yeah nah bud. You’re arresting people trying to leave your country, tourists are getting roughed up, and violence from the government is increasing.
I think your tourism deserves to decrease and you deserve to sleep in the bed you’ve made.
I agree 100% with everything you wrote here, and none of it has anything to do with the exchange I had with the other user.
Except for this:
you
I am not my government.
You was speaking in countr terms as was the your before it.
Even still, its like, there is no “we only support the non fascists” from a foreign perspective when it comes to tourism unfortunately.
I mean there is a little bit when it comes to trade, like trading with blue states, but like, its all very intertwined to where youll be funding the fascist regime.
naw thanks, i don’t think people should have a right to own a firearm. not a safe country.
I get the sentiment but most countries on Earth have armed citizens. You have effectively negated yourself from traveling across much of Asia, much of Africa, South America and several prominent European nations where citizens are armed.
No country is “safe” and you will live in misery and fear if you deny yourself the ability to travel and have new experiences because some people may or may not own weapons.
dude i never plan to leave my country, so im good. dont worry.
Sounds good, enjoy your bubble. Hope nothing there ever changes.
i will enjoy my bubble thanks. canada is the best place to live!
Load of bullshit from an American Exceptionalism expert.
I’ve been all over the world, people carry guns. People shoot in the air to celebrate, people keep guns on their mantles, people keep guns to defend against predators, people carry guns because there are vast, vast areas of Earth that are not patrolled by police. Are these bad people?
It’s pretty bigoted to look down on these people for the circumstances and regions they live, but yeah go ahead and lecture someone for being an American.
edit: i can clearly see by your moderation history that I shan’t be investing a shred of mental energy your way. Go ahead and troll into the void, I won’t see it.
Please take your gun apologia somewhere else.
The number one killer of children in America.
The answer is yes, you are a bad person for promoting this nonsense.
There are so, so many other great reasons too.
To be clear your reason is a great reason. There are just so many others, too.
oh trust me i know, i haven’t liked america for a very long time.
Good for you!
yes, yes it is :)
This is literally pathetic. Talk about being gun oppressed and loving it.
Not much you can do when most people in the country already own guns. If someone points a gun at you, you’ll be wishing you had your own. This is mostly an American problem though and we’re fucked. At this point we all need guns because those psychotic fucks are coming for us daily. With how things are progressing so fast I’m just waiting for the day they show up at my door for voting Democrat in a Republican state. I’ve got my guns and I won’t go down easily.
Yeah, self defense fantasies are a mental illness bro. Love you, get some help.
I’d love to never have to own a gun. When I was 5 years old a woman put a loaded gun in my face and cocked it to threaten my parents. It’s not a fantasy, it’s a fucking NIGHTMARE. So yes, my fears are a mental illness. Thanks.
You are just one of many living in this nightmare. You know what it is like to jump for cover everytime someone shoots a gun in an urban setting? Millions of Americans get to experience this psychological abuse everyday.
I am sorry to hear your horrible experience. I have lost several people in my life to gun violence. I know women who were raped at gun point. I have had multiple guns shoved in my face growing up. Fuck guns and everyone who defends this shit show.
Lol I know exactly what it’s like to jump for cover every time someone shoots a gun, I still have to fight that instinct. There were bullet holes in the front door of my family home and on the side of the house. I was taught to lay on the ground every time we heard gun shots. When I held my first gun 5 years ago I was trembling and crying from fear of the damn thing. I LIVED THROUGH ALL OF THIS. I cannot and will not defend gun culture. When nearly the entire population has them and is willing to use them against you at a moments notice, you don’t have much of a choice. Since I am a woman, and as you pointed out I am at risk, I have more need than a man to conceal carry.
The point I’m trying to make is bitch all you want about guns in America. Call us morons for having guns, it doesn’t matter. Bitching won’t change anything. Someone has to take all the guns away before a change can be made and I’m willing to bet that’ll never happen in our lifetime. We’ll continue to be terrorized until our deaths. Might as well defend yourself if you can.
I wholeheartedly agree with everything including defending yourself. I do not agree with arming yourself, but that is just because your more likely to be injured.
Must be nice to go through life never having to worry about your personal safety. Fuck you and your privilege.
I am not a childlike, hence why I know guns are not the solution to your imaginary problems.
I didn’t say you were childlike. Use your eyes. Read again. I said you are privileged.
What’s the solution to a political party using firearms as leverage in a country that puts firearms in its governing document.
I absolutely LOVE reading these wildly naive takes. Go for it!
I implied you were childlike.
I love people who have no clue about the destruction and violence gun culture has caused us. This learned helplessness you have developed is impressive.
A fascist government takeover is imaginary? Fuck give me whatever glue you’re sniffing so I can be as dumb and ignorant as you.
Fascists thrive on violence, so if your suggesting that as a solution then you are playing right into their hands.
I’m not sure how you’re getting that out of what they posted. Reads more “know thine enemy” than power fantasy to me.
If know thine enemy is code for living in an oppressive gun nut culture where we lose around fifty thousand Americans to gun violence every year, then sure.
Number one killer of children in the US and the best we can muster is, “You have got to be familiar with guns because we are surrounded by them.” This is the definition of pathetic resignation.
Sorry I forgot that I can just wiggle my nose and make it go away. It’s the reality of the situation, like it or not.
Dealing with our problems isn’t easy. I guess we can just go back ignoring it. Cheers!
You can acknowledge present reality while also trying to change it. They’re not mutually exclusive.
No one can actually acknowledge what is happening though. Our entire society in the US is in denial.
Trans person here who’s been attacked by a neo-Nazi - I really, really wish I had my gun at the time. Because, without it I was in a situation where I either had to let him kill me (not a good option) or pull a knife on him and at least try to seem crazy enough that he knew he’d be badly hurt too. Luckily that worked for me. If I’d had my gun, I could have at least drawn on him and told him that he was going to leave me be or die. My chances of survival would likely have been higher had I had my gun on me at the time.
Because masked people with no ID think they can trespass on their property and rob them of their rights?
Also leftists. Also rightists.
So, basically, people from every political background are buying guns.
The warmongers win again.
While the pacifists did jack shit to stop this.
Zapp: I hate these filthy Neutrals, Kif. With enemies you know where they stand but with Neutrals, who knows? It sickens me.
Um…they’re pacifists? Maybe you mean a different word?
I think they’re blaming pacifists for not being violent
Gun owner and former military. One can purchase a rifle or pistol, but if you are not constantly training, muscle memory, with live rounds and maintaining your physical and mental fitness, you will fuck it up. The things I could do in my past, I can no longer replicate them with the speed and efficiency I once had.
One does not necessarily need the level of capability you’re referring to. The Jews fighting in the Warsaw ghetto did just fine for several weeks without that capability. The same lesson is also being demonstrated in Ukraine.
Yes, the more training, the better. But get a grip. You’re spreading FUD, bootlicker.
Not at all, because you will be the moron that will forget about the safety selector, end up shooting yourself in the foot or the friendly next to you.
Do stand your ground laws apply when a warrantless unidentified “federal agent” comes to your door because anyone with sense would fear for their lives?
People have legally defended themselves in that situation, yes- but first you have to survive until your court date.
Short answer is “It depends.”
If a masked, unidentified individual with a weapon is in your home, it will very likely apply.
Interestingly enough; this hasn’t happened yet. It’s almost like they know which places not to fuck with, even though there isn’t an official national gun registry or anything.
I mean… Amazon purchases can be tracked. I wonder if buying CLP or a boresnake gets someone put on a “do not try” list.
Interestingly enough; this hasn’t happened yet.
Most gun enthusiasts are all barrel and no bullets.
They got the guns in the first place because they’re actually scared little boys with an inferiority complex. No amount of guns toys will ever compensate for their small dick energy.
It will be interesting to see if the new market has a better use for the arms.
I’m surprised something like that hasn’t already happened.
One of the more telling aspects of who ICE is targeting.
“federal” or “feral”?
No, but that shouldn’t stop people from standing their ground.
I’m still not willing to get one. I am statistically safer without one in the house. I do have a couple large dogs, I collect knives and I have collapsible batons stashed in key locations.
Maybe once the kids are out of the house.
I was like “Just get a safe, store them outside, yada, yada”. The I read about the kids. Yeah, That’s a wise decision.
Yeah, I’m not anti-gun, I just follow the stats. Multiple children in the house and they are more clever than I am.
I believe a person can beat the stats. But they can’t make someone else beat the stats. Good choice.
That’s just not understanding the statistics. Lots of people leave their chambered weapon wherever, they keep it on the kitchen counter, on the couch, on the bed, etc. then their kids find it and accidentally fire it.
Crazy violent people also have guns, and they will use what they have at their disposal to be violent. The gangster wannabe meth head that shot his roommate over an argument is in that starts m statistic.
Buy a safe, learn to use the gun and store it properly in the safe. You’re not less safe than before.
An armed minority is harder to oppress!
Already reflected on but
An armed minority is harder to oppress
The oppressors will always have better weapons. The best way to lose a fight is to be overconfident. A smart and organized minority is even harder to oppress.
An armed minority is harder to oppress!
Doesn’t seem that way at the moment does it.
At this moment, seems not enough are armed. The comment I replied to is literally saying they aren’t willing to get armed…
Think Haitain revolution, Algeria vs french occupiers, Northern Ireland, Palestinians currently surviving a nuclear superpower occupier, there are many more examples in history. When the oppressed give up their arms, they get trampled on.
You’re statistically more likely to exit a fight with serious injury using a knife over a firearm.
You aren’t considering the correct statistics. Source: I’ve actually read the stats you’re citing and they don’t apply to this situation.
In nearly 50 years I’ve never been anywhere else close to a knife fight, I’m also not a moron.
The situation I’m talking about is home defense and yes, I have dogs, I live in one of the safest areas of my state and I do have self defense plans if anything does happen. Guns are not part of that strategy because I have kids in the house, and despite them being trained, I still am not going to keep one around just so that I can ‘feel’ safer.
You do you, I’m not going to stop you, even if I were anti-gun, the ship sailed long before I was born in this country. So instead, since they are a reality in the US, let’s be smart about them and recognize that individual situations are different for each of us.
Too few, too little, too late.
I hope not, but I think a lot of them are still living with the fear of yesteryear that has not updated with the times and the threat of their neighbors having it in for them, and not being as worried about the legal repercussions.
Too few, too little, too late.
Literally. They made gun ownership an obsessively partisan subject specifically so the other side wouldn’t be armed, neutering the left’s political capital.
Trump is only in power right now and wrecking our constitution and nation because despite having a minority support base, that base is the most unhinged, heavily-armed, devotely loyal group in the country. It’s the rawest, purest form of power. That’s what Jan 6th was about, he had no intention of actual insurrection, he just wanted to demonstrate that he could turn his people on a target. It was an arms test, like detonating a nuke in the Nevada desert. “I can do this anytime I want.”
Up until very recently, most of the deaths in wars were caused by disease instead of combat.
Give it a few months and the anti-vax stances paired with colloidal silver and horse-dewormer will leave plenty of guns and ammo for everyone.
The destruction of our healthcare infrastructure will accelerate this.
Don’t forget silent weapons like slingshots and bows/arrows. It’s going to freak them out when they look down and see an arrow sticking out of their chest.
Contact or join your local SCA group. They may be anachronists as opposed to anarchists, but if you want to learn how make and use weapons and armor of that sort there are few more accessible teachers and trainers.
One of them made large amounts of basic body armor from heavy gauge plastic barrels for use by protesters a few years back. They may not stop bullets, but they are very_ effective versus “non-lethal” rounds and similar.
And yes, the person did get a visit from the FBI, who let the person keep on making as they weren’t working on weapons of any sort. Just the armor.
Slingshots are an effective deterrent, extremely compact. Get one with a forearm brace for increased stability. Best to use spherical ammunition (ball bearings, marbles), but pebbles will do in a pinch.
I shot a recurve bow for a decade. With a moderate draw weight and sharp arrowheads they can be lethal. Takes much more practice, strength and patience than a gun. You can attach fur to the bowstring to make it quieter. Impossible to conceal, and quite conspicuous.
Compound bows and crossbows are even more lethal with great precision and range, but louder and heavier.
I tried to order a slingshot and ammo on Amazon to send to my son, but it wouldn’t send it to his state (NY). So I sent to myself, and I sent it to him.
I doubt slingshots are lethal, but they can cause damage, and they’ll hurt real bad, enough that a barrage of them could make a bad character pause. Even just having them pepper the street around the target would be enough to back them up.
What if citizens started carrying slingshots everywhere, and using them? Imagine if ICE was trying some shit in the street, and they were barraged by slingshots from apartment windows all around them?
Also arrows will go through the average kevlar vest.
I’ve decided on a shotgun. With buckshot you don’t have to aim, you get multiple shots, it’s inexpensive and you can hit multiple targets in unarmored areas. It’s just for home defense, I’m not sure if we should be carrying outside. We have to be careful though, life is worth saving not shooting.
Just a heads up, the whole “you don’t have to aim” is a complete myth. Shotgun spread is completely blown out of proportion. It’s somewhere around 0.5" to 1" per yard with barrel length, choke, and shot type affecting spread. Unless you’re insanely rich and live in a mansion, you’d be within 10 yards so you’d only get 5" to 10" of spread which really isn’t much especially since the pellets may not be evenly distributed within that diameter.
For anyone looking to buy a gun, educate yourself first to know what you’re getting into and go to the range consistently so you know how to use it. If you don’t do both of those, you’d be at risk of hurting yourself or someone else if ever you have to use it in a life or death situation.
Second this. Unless you’re sawing the barrel to a third, it doesn’t actually work how youd think if you never used a real shotgun.
In reality the best things about shotguns in self defence are that if you miss, you probably dont kill your neighbor. The bad part is there is very little penetration on pellets for any armored target.
You could also just use slugs which do work great for self defense, but can easily kill your neighbor.
I appreciate your feedback. I’ll think about it. Ar-15 was my other choice. If it was legal id buy a rocket launcher and just blow the whole house up because at that point fuck it…
AR15 is easy to shoot and aim. It’s also low recoil and weight. People should get them for home defense before getting a shotgun, you’re more likely to miss with a shotgun than an AR
SupraMario is right about getting an ar15. Lots of time and effort went into creating a great system with a well thought out set of compromises. From magazine capacity to parts availability to ergonomics, it’s a really solid system and I highly encourage people who can to own one per person in your household.
You should’ve gone with the Zodiac method.
Pistol and a flashlight in a supportive grip. When you do it right, the “dark spot” at the center of your flashlight beam is your general point of aim. Once you build that muscle memory, it’s better than a crosshair on a TV screen.
Welcome to America the only country where you have to worry about your toddler shooting you.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fresno-unintentional-shooting-toddler-mother/
https://abc7.com/post/gun-safety-pregnant-woman-shot-norwalk-ohio-norkwalk-news/13410862/
For added bonus soo many guns even your dog will shoot you.
The gun lobby must be excited about this headline, we just need a few more gun sales to make us safe!
I never worried about my toddler shooting me, because I kept my guns in a safe.
You know how many people have loaded guns in their house. How many people that have a rifle leaning up against the wall by their door or a loaded handgun underneath their pillow.
This is an epidemic of death, but sure you are “safe”. That is why almost everyone knows someone who has died needlessly from gun violence.
Which is why it’s a good idea keep them in a safe instead, yes.
I totally agree you should be safe with a safe, but that is not what is happening soo?
So, people should be more responsible with their firearms. Like the user you replied to is.
It is the number one killer of children now. Clearly your best thoughts and wishes aren’t working. Over a million Americans are dead in the last twenty years and all you can say is be safe?
And what’s your solution?
Door-to-door gun confiscation? That’s not a policy, it’s a declaration of war. Do you wanna be the one going around to every redneck’s house saying, “Hi, I’m from the government and I’m here to take your guns away?” And if you start a war, who do you think is gonna win: the side with guns or the side without?
Banning gun sales? Too late, they’re already too widespread. The only thing that does is lock in the current situation, where the right has guns and the left (mostly) doesn’t.
If I’m stuck in an elevator with a Nazi, best case I have a gun and he doesn’t. Next is neither of us have guns. Next is we both have guns. And worst is he has a gun and I don’t. That’s where we’re at right now. If a right-winger with 5 guns can’t buy a 6th, it doesn’t matter, but if a leftist with zero guns can’t buy one it does.
Of course, both of those options go directly against the constitution and would be impossible to implement without an impossible supermajority or stacking the Court. And if you violate procedure you delegitimize the government, which is kind of important if you’re planning to fight a civil war.
So what’s left? Ineffectual, half-assed solutions that accomplish nothing other than pissing people off and make them panic-buy more guns.
Go ahead, walk me through what you want and how you’d go about it. I’m all ears.
“To defend themselves.”
Fuckin’ hell.
Try again.
To defend themselves and the people they care about? What are you on about son.
That account is a fascist enabler that just spreads FUD
Yeah, how dare I point out that Americans are sleepwalking into their country’s final few years.
That’s not what you are doing and you know it. Fascist enabler. Have fun licking the boot in your country once you have helped them take us over.
“I’ve tried nothing and have already given up.” Excellent work.
Go play in traffic. I’ve done more than you, including calling out fascist collaborators such as yourself.
Yeah, I’m sure the snarky sign you took to the parade was excellent.
It’s wild how many people are updooting comments and users without making any effort to understand what they’re saying. It’s like reddit all over again.
