If you’re shocked by capital murdering puppies, wait until you find out about the animal torture/murder industry, enslaved labor, etc.
The puppies are just the tip of the meatberg.
George Carling… Tippy the dog.
“Sometimes, you can get a dog that looks exactly like the dog you used to have. Right? You shop around a little bit, and you find a dog identical to your former dog. And that’s real handy cause you don’t have to change the pictures on your mirror or anything. Right? You just bring the dead one into the pet shop. Throw him up on the counter and say, “Give me another one of them. That was real good.” And they’ll give you a carbon copy of your ex-goddam dog. Now my favorite dog that I ever had in my whole lifetime was Tippy.”
Well, I could have gone my whole life not knowing this. :(
Go watch Milo and Otis again. Holy shit. They through a fucking kitten off a cliff.
After doing some wtf research, the thing was filmed in China. Those poor kittens and puppies.
*Threw
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/animals-abused-milo-and-otis/
That was a rumor, and has never been verified despite decades of discussion and many attempts to prove or disprove it. Also, it was filmed in Japan, not China.
Was just about to mention milo and Otis. I loved that movie as a kid. Felt pretty bad rediscovering it as an adult.
fighting bears and shit
“here. Get bit by this lobster”
oof, right in the childhood
Here comes the dog, strong and brave, WOOF!
Oh shit, that’s fucking CHATRAN, I loved that as a kid :(
I loved that movie growing up and had my own copy. And then as an adult I learnt about that dark, dark history.
What’s the conventional wisdom as to why this is so bad, but eating meat basically gets a pass? Like, meat offers sustenance, yes, but it’s by no means required. So basically, humans eat meat because it tastes really good — it’s great “culinary entertainment.”
This is a different kind of entertainment, but it’s deeply offensive to many folks. I’m not trying to be a dick about it, just curious why this is seen as such a sin.
Is it that these animals weren’t “supposed” to be killed? Would a movie about a beef cow who ends up getting slaughtered, both onscreen and IRL, be seen as better? Worse?
The “conventional wisdom” is just the usual cognitive dissonance of carnists.
They want to cry about puppies but also enjoy meat based on even worse exploitation, torture, murder, etc.
are you for real comparing this to eating meat?
Like we artificially breed cows into existence for meat and milk alone, dogs exists as companions, how could possibly be the same?.
Yes, that’s the cognitive dissonance of carnism. “How could torturing one animal possibly be the same as torturing another? We have different categories for torturing!!!” smh.
Because the animals don’t care what our intended purpose for them is.
I think because of
1.the chasm between the intended discourse of the film (feelgood movie with puppies going on adventures) and the alleged means to film it, feels particularly cynical and dishonest
2.the fact that dogs are companions -they have co-evolved next to humans for about 15 thousand years and hold a special place, contrary to animals typically consumed for their flesh
Thanks for the thoughtful response! 1) makes a lot of sense, and 2) makes a lot of “emotional sense” to me (as opposed to “intellectual sense,” I guess).
yea, it’s still not super reasonable to murder animals when we could, well, not do it. But I think dogs being companions mostly explains the difference in treatment. I used to be a vegan but the emotional load was too heavy to bear everyday. I chose to look away. I’m not proud, but I can’t afford to be shameful. Do you eat animals ?
No, I’ve been a strict vegetarian for a long time, mostly vegan now but not strict about it. I did eat fish a few years ago because it was an invasive species (and also, delicious).
But also, I have no problem getting the food/nutrients I need from a plant based diet, which isn’t always easy for other folks.
Broadly, people are not ok with animals being mistreated. An animal that is raised in safe, comfortable conditions and then killed painlessly is not mistreated by the standards of many people.
Abusing a puppy and kitten to make a film is absolutely mistreatment, hence the different reaction.
I’m not trying to be a dick about it
Doubt. “Just asking questions” is so often a deliberate dick move.
safe, comfortable conditions and then killed painlessly
Do you even think this is real
Knowing some farmers personally, yes, yes it is real
Do they know exactly what happens at the slaughterhouse or are they doing it themselves?
Well, here it is. Strict laws too. And stress, even shortly before slaughtering, makes the meat stringy anyway, and poor health gives a taste.
In france we also have strong laws for that. Doesnt stop our local associations from releasing footage of industrial-scale farms that are just horrible to endure.
Yes, other than for fish.
You’re clueless. Even if it was possible, which it is not, it would be not be profitable enough.
Ok angry internet warrior.
Idk im not angry nor a warrior, just someone more informed than you.
fair point but killing for entertainment is pure evil. Killing cause you have to eat is neccesary evil.
You have to eat, but you don’t have to eat meat. It’s just as optional as creating art that involves animal abuse. (Not a vegan, just interested in this topic).
My sis had to loosen her vegetarian standards for the sake of her daughters health.
We are omnivores, accept that fact. While you can survive without flesh (and the modern person eats too much of it), it requires personal effort and research to find substitutes, with the risk of damaging your health. And most just prefer some meat or fish now and then.
Btw, almost all herbivores are opportunistic omnivores, because they can’t research substitutes. Even sheep eat chicks, there, i said it.
My sis had to loosen her vegetarian standards for the sake of her daughters health.
Cool anecdote.
We are omnivores, accept that fact.
Cool pseudo-science derived from an anecdote.
it requires personal effort and research to find substitutes
Yes, it takes effort to do something different from the rest of society. Apparently you’ve never done this.
And most just prefer some meat or fish now and then.
Cool story.
Even sheep eat chicks, there, i said it.
Nobody gives a shit. Nobody is saying go veg because sheep are veg. This is just more wacky carnist babbling.
I accept it; I enjoy most types of meat. But the fact that you can survive without meat makes it optional, which is relevant to the debate we were having about the morality of killing/harming animals for different purposes.
Humans need nutrition and vitamins found in meat. Without them they get health issues or die. When lab grown meats are available, real meats become optional.
No, that’s a myth. There is actually no need for consuming animals. We owe the perpetuation of this myth by the meat industry
There are literally billions of vegetarians in the world who don’t have health issues.
There’s multiples more of omnivores who don’t have health issues either.
So? That somehow means the vegetarians don’t exist?
Where in the fuck did you get that?
We need things that can be found in meat. With some effort, you can obtain them from alternative sources.
Yes.
“with some effort”. Eating food humans are meant to eat in a balanced and healthy manner is already borderline impossible for everyone. Eating only vegetarian is more akin to a full time hobby than what food is to most people: fuel.
People don’t even give a shit about cars that they drive around and spend insane amount of money on each decade. I just don’t see most people just switching to vegetarianism without a survival need. Plant based foods are just stupid expensive to boot outside of rice and potatoes.
Yeah, it’s harder for sure. But what I’m saying is that not everyone needs to kill to eat-- if you can afford it and have some time to plan meals, it isn’t a “necessary evil”. I’d argue it’s still more moral to kill for food than for entertainment, of course.
Wow, I must be doing it wrong then. I learned basic combinations and a variety of recipes. No different from when I learned to cook with meat.
I’m not saying that it’s for everyone. I personally still eat fish from time to time. But it definitely isnt a full time hobby
Yea, it’s easier than some people try to say it is. It’s a matter of habit and produce availability, which varies depending on your location
I assume that “No animal were harmed” claim cannot be used in film where real meat are consumed?
I suppose if I had a cow living in my home with me that would be a problem. It’s familiarity.
And puppies
Welcome to veganism! 🌱💚🌱
I found the vegan!
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Parvovirus is a puppy owners worst nightmare. It’s kind of puppy ebola but super contagious and high mortality rate.
Typically puppy owners never accept a puppy younger than 8 weeks without their first vaccination. And don’t let them go out in places exposed to other unknown dogs until after the second vaccination at 16 weeks. So those early weeks should be spent with other vaccinated puppies to socialise them. And if you are going out, carry them or put them in a cart, or take them places you know no sick dogs have been within a year.
Yet another reason why raising puppies is so much harder than people think.
Yeah, parvo specifically attacks multiplying cells. It’s not super bad for fully grown dogs, which only multiply cells to maintain a baseline. But for puppies that are actively growing, it basically causes them to fall apart at the seams. Their bone marrow and intestinal lining basically turns to mush, since they’re almost entirely made of multiplying cells.
Werner Herzog boiled 11000 living rats in ink for Nosferatu.
Dutch behavioral biologist Maarten 't Hart, hired by Herzog for his expertise with laboratory rats, revealed that, after witnessing the inhumane way in which the rats were treated, he no longer wished to cooperate. Apart from traveling conditions that were so poor that the rats, imported from Hungary, had started to eat each other upon arrival in the Netherlands, Herzog insisted the plain white rats be dyed gray. To do so, according to 't Hart, the cages containing the rats needed to be submerged in boiling water for several seconds, causing another half of them to die. The surviving rats proceeded to lick themselves clean of the dye immediately, as 't Hart had predicted they would.
Holy shit.
Goddamn
I previously kinda liked Hertzog (he was amusing to listen to if nothing else), not any more.
How do you boil 11,000 rats alive and then go on and make 10 minute long thinkpieces about the profound sadness of the death of a single penguin that leaves its flock? What a fucking masturbatory asshat.
At what point do you just buy gray rats? Where in the cost benefit analysis does boiling rats in ink come in?
I guess when buying 11000 rats you are somewhat constrained in your choice of color. It’s not like you can order them made in a custom color.
It’s not like they needed all 11000 of them. Half of them died from being submerged in boiling dye… Surely, it would have been easier with half a magnitude smaller quantity.
Half of them died from being submerged in boiling dye
I’m surprised that half of them survived. Aside, that is cartoonishly evil.
Hoooooly shit I knew productions with animals were usually darker than they seem but Snow Buddies??? Snow Buddies was built on the back of mass puppy casualty???
tldr: they were too young, a bunch got parvovirus and didn’t make it
Addendum:
They were too young and a bunch were sick, they were forced to get older puppies, who then also got sick.
They fucked up, got told they fucked up, then fucked up again.
Thanks I’m illiterate
I can’t even imagine the kind of person you have to be to actually let this movie get published about a bunch of cute little puppy dogs if you had the power to stop it and you knew what happened.
I can’t even imagine the kind of person you have to be to actually let this movie get published
It’s called a “capitalist”. They value the violent control of labor far more than any puppy’s life.
This is the same company that, 60 years ago, built a turntable to throw lemmings off the edge of a cliff for a “nature documentary” since they weren’t jumping over on their own.
Lemmings do not actually commit suicide in nature…
WTF?! Man I love Air Bud franchise but I never saw Snow Buddies. I was thinking of doing a re-watch and see all the Air Bud movies I haven’t seen yet. But after seeing this news I’m not so sure…
Also #FuckDisney
space buddies made me cry as a kid
What’s in that movie? I have a DVD but have not watched it yet.
i cant remember anything about it just that i cried to it 😂
There are 23 movies in the Air Bud cinematic universe. Everyone always talks about the first Air Bud. The basketball one. The dog does a trick and boops the basketball into the hoop. Whoop-de-fucking-doo. If I’m on the losing team to that, I can applaud that. That’s fine, whatever, I’d hurt my nose doing that. Cool. The rest of the team played well, too.
Now imagine being a kid on a sports team six years later. You arrive to your beach volleyball court and see you’re playing against a dog. You might think, woah, the dog is just gonna boop the ball with his nose, right? Cool fucking trick, he’s old as shit and has no new ones. Wrong. In Air Bud: Spikes Back, the fifth Air Bud movie, the eponymous Air Bud jumps up to the net and spikes a ball down on the opposing team. If I’m on the losing team to that, I fucking quit volleyball forever. There’s no going back. Your dad doesn’t ask how the game was, he saw the dog spike that shit on you on ESPN. What were you supposed to do? My fucking bad, our libero is a piece of shit who can’t dig it up from a FUCKING DOG??? Where the FUCK is our middle blocker??? Which one of you assholes let’s the dog go unmarked after that??? Slam the fucking ball into him, holy shit! No wonder we lost, they were too busy laughing their asses off while we floundered to get the ball over the net! Holy fucking shit, Andre, if you set the ball up so the FUCKING DOG GETS A CHANCE TO BLOCK ME WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU THE SETTER?!? No way, there is NO WAY anyone plays volleyball on that team again. Half that team kills themselves from the ridicule after that. The other half moves across the country and changes their names and faces. That dog ruins their lives. All to win a volleyball game.
discovered that the lemming scene was actually filmed at the Bow River near Canmore, Alberta, and further that the same small group of lemmings was transported to the location, jostled on turntables, and repeatedly shoved off a cliff to imply mass suicide.
how big was the cliff? did they get hurt or die or was it even more faked?
great game back in the day though btw. we need another version. maybe with a political bent
the same small group of lemmings was transported to the location, jostled on turntables, and repeatedly shoved off a cliff to imply mass suicide
That Wikipedia quote implies it wasn’t deadly, but checking the end line citations, their reference calls it a “mass animal killing made to look like natural suicide” and makes no mention of using the same group multiple times.
Fixed link https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Wilderness_(film)#Controversy
Boy, markdown + deep links is not a good combination.
I was going to say that’s still better than the Lemmy scene.
No, animals were harmed in the making of this film.
This is probably the best use of this meme I’ve ever seen. Beautiful.
