As in, doesn’t matter at all to you.
End a sentence with a preposition if you want to. And start one with a conjunction.
That’s not just you, that’s people who know the rules of the English language and don’t care about Latin or what dead idiots thought.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/prepositions-ending-a-sentence-with
Gotta love Merriam Webster. They are fantastic.
I like ending my sentences with and.
Putting question marks or exclamation points after “quotation marks”! I’ve never understood the point of putting the punctuation inside the quotation unless it’s part of the quotation itself.
Quote is full sentence: inside. Quote is part of sentence or word: outside.
Eg:
“Oh no!” he gasped.
And
Apparently she’s “done with me”!
Love, an editor.
This is how you’re supposed to do it in Dutch.
The teacher said “silence!”.
Vs
The teacher said “silence”!
Mean something completely different. Although a few large literature publishers do punctuation before bracket because of translation ease, and novels almost never contain partial quotes anyway AND they include the optional comma at all times, which causes
“Silence!,” said the teacher.
Shudder
Especially also when you’re using them to be facetious.
He’s “talented”.
He’s “talented.”
For me it depends on if you are quoting someone (punctuation inside quote) or just using a phrase like “woke” (punctuation outside).
Ending a sentence with a preposition has been standard in English for longer than the language has existed, it’s nothing to be ashamed of.
I see what you did there.
This is a thing up with which I will not put.
Nothing about which to be ashamed. 🤓
There’s a funny bit in “the last man on earth” where Kristen Schaal’s character always corrects people when they end their sentences with a preposition. It shows how much more ridiculous her correction sounds.
… Not a great show, but that bit was pretty funny.
To anyone who has a problem with singular they:
Roses are red, violets aren’t blue
Singular they is older than singular youAnyone who has a problem with singular they can eat my non-binary ass.
Nothing, and the whole “grammar nazis” thing is rotten. There is never a reason to have any other reaction to being corrected about objective things than learning from the mistake. If someone shows you the spelling or grammar mistakes you made, read it and memorise the corrections. You’re not losing anything by getting better at communication, you only gain. It doesn’t take you five minutes longer to spell the words correctly and you don’t make yourself look like an idiot, child with learning disabilities or someone who seriously doesn’t care about the most basic and expected shit we do for others. Language is an astounding tool and people who spot on it by not caring about spelling and grammar should be forced to take classes and taught to see how important it is.
But, at the same time, this isn’t a master’s thesis.
Sometimes autocorrect picks the wrong there, and I don’t notice. And when someone swoops in and says “it’s they’re” with nothing else to contribute to the actual conversation that’s happening, they can fuck write off.
You must have hated Mark Twain.
No one points a gun at Data and stays on my good side.
being corrected about objective things
Language is anything but objective and is constantly evolving based on how people use it.
Listen bruv, if you can understand what I’m saying enough to be able to correct it with 100% confidence than anything that was omitted was superfluous anyway.
The issue is when it is done publicly, it is almost always done in bad faith to try and shame/put someone down and dismiss everything they said due to a mistake. If you want to teach someone you should send them a private message. Don’t put them on blast in front of everyone. It shows a lack of empathy and depicts you as someone who wants to appear superior/better than them. Of course, there are ways to do it publicly but courteously, for example something like “just fyi, it’s they’re not their :) but anyway, I do agree with what you’re saying [or] it was interesting to read your take on this”
Some of us do have “disabilities” though. My thumbs are big and hit wrong buttons on the phone. Dyslexia fucking sucks. I literally can write a whole word with its letters out of sequence, just did that a few hours ago. ADHD makes proofreading fucking tedious as hell. Often i try my best but sometimes i just cant be bothered.
Over all I agree with you though. It never hurts to have someone tell you that you fucked up. It does give you a chance to learn from your mistakes.
It is perfectly cromulent to use “less” in place of “fewer”.
Some would say it’s fewer correct, however.
lol
The fact I understand all the vocabulary you used embiggens me.
If I am clearly referring to myself (as in a text), I shouldn’t have to inlude myself in the sentence. Ex: “just grabbing food” vs “I’m just grabbing food”.
A lot of languages are pro-drop and do this when the context is clear (and sometimes when it isn’t). I remember learning Japanese and people saying “we would never do that in English!”. My counterexample was always that, if someone came to my house and asked where the beer is, I’d say “fridge.” because that’s all the information the hearer needs.
And we can drop “the” sometimes, “close gate”.
I see you also play 80s text adventure games…
Close gate? No it’s all the way over there.
“shut gate?”
“no, it’s open”
“latch gate!!”
“no this one has a knob, see?”
“listen here u lil shit–”“Where wolf? There wolf! [points] There castle!”
In Spanish, the conjugation of the verb lets you drop the subject, which is eloquent.
“¿Qué haces?”
“Estoy
llegandollevando comida.”I’m not sure “I’m arriving food” is the best spanish out there
Whoops, that should be llevando, not llegando.
The right to gleefully split infinitives.
Adverbs as a rule can go anywhere in a sentence, so split away, I say!
I’m really fond of using “I’mma” and “gonna”.
I obviously wouldn’t use these words in a professional document, but everywhere else I’mma use “gonna” and “I’mma” whenever I feel like it.
Even if someone says “irregardless” or “I could care less”, I don’t say anything because I still understand what they mean.
I’ve always argued for the side of “if your point comes across and is understood as intended, your grammar or lack thereof, does not matter in the slightest”
I don’t care if people say “chomping at the bit”, because it basically means the same thing as “champing at the bit”, and nobody uses the word champing anymore anyway.
I feel like a lot of the grammar sticklers out there only speak one language, and their lack of sympathy towards people speaking English as a second or third language is low.
If you can convey your point– good enough for me!
Using “they” as singular. Also, referring to animals besides humans as “he,” “she,” or “they” instead of “it.”
I usually am a grammar nazi, but these are things I do very intentionally.
who/whom.
Maybe it’s because that English is not my first language but I always find it confusing.
If you can replace the word with “he”, you always use who. If you can replace the word with “him”, you can use whom if you want to.
Whom did you lead into battle?
I led him into battle.
Who ate all the cake?
He ate all the cake.
The key takeaway is you can always use who and it will be correct, because who is both a subject and an object. So, if you don’t want to bother with the rule, just stick to who and you can’t go wrong.
Ah it’s kind of like Jeopardy! You’ve gotta visualize the answer to know how to phrase the question.
To whom/for whom is supposed to be the rule for when to use whom, but in American English it sounds way too formal.
Whomst is a fun one.
Whomst’d’ve
if you are familiar with object vs subject in grammar you already know the rule,
who
is used when it’s the subject,whom
when the object:Who is that?
That’s who ate my ice cream.
Whom did you give ice cream to?
The ice cream went to the one whom I saw first.
This rule is the same as knowing when to use
she
orhe
vs when to useher
orhim
, it’s no different.However, most people don’t use
whom
correctly and it can just be avoided entirely, most people will just usewho
as the object anyway and it will sound more natural to them:Who did you give ice cream to?
The ice cream went to the one who I saw first.
Using
whom
in these cases can make you sound formal or fancy, and draws attention.It’s pretty much a dead language feature anyway, at least in my area. Whom sounds pretentious as hell if you actually say it. Like, you’d get away about as well with thee or thou.
There’s a pretty trivial rule for getting this right. Phrase your sentence using who/whom as a question. Respond with he/him. If your response contains a “he”, your initial statement should be “who”; if it contains a “him” then you’re looking at a “whom” use.
- ex: “To who/whom should the gold be given?” -> “To him” -> “whom”
- ex: “Who/whom wants the gold?” -> “He wants the gold” -> “who”
- ex: “Who/whom did you see at the party?” -> “I saw him” -> “whom”
- ex: “The man who/whom called earlier is here” -> “Who/whom called?” -> “he called” -> “who”
I tell people this and say, “Follow the M.”
I think outside of highly formalized writing (usually found exclusively in academia) grammar only matters to the extent that it doesn’t interfere with the voice of the author.
It matters because it makes things easier to read. A wall of text with no punctuation or capitalization is difficult to parse, both for the reader and for the writer if they need to go back and make changes.
On the other hand, punctuation can be used incorrectly to convey things that might be part of how the author speaks. Examples being: using ellipsis to indicate trailing off at the end of a sentence, perhaps because you’re still trying to find words to finish the thought, or using parentheses to indicate a slight tangent or clarifying statement, or failing to use a period at the end of a text message to indicate a softer tone and an openness to a response.
Capitalization and misspellings can be used similarly. Such as intentionally misspelling a word to indicate that it should be pronounced differently than usual, or capitalizing all or part of a word to add emphasis.
TLDR: Proper grammar matters for clearly conveying information, but intentionally breaking grammatical rules is a good way to add your voice, personality, and tone into your writing. And that is more important than being technically correct.