• null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    This might be a kind of unpopular opinion but in a way I’m glad that schools are going to have to confront this issue. They’re very well placed to do so.

    While teachers being abused obviously have my sympathies, the school system can’t ignore this problem and then act shocked when this behavior appears in schools.

    • training for all teachers on how to manage this behavior and this trajectory for kids
    • social media literacy should be part of the curriculum for kids in all years
    • awareness programs and training for parents
    • exposure to more appropriate role models who can help young boys understand how to interact with women
    • advocating for regulation of social media - it’s just bullshit that youtube et al gives this bullshit a platform
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      Parents are a big part of this problem. Teachers report behaviors and give recommendations, the parents then deny it happens, or refuse to follow a regimen with their child.

      A good admin helps, but most try to smooth it over with the parents so the bullshit continue s.

      My kids are (and were–one quit already) teachers. They had younger grades say grade 3-5 and kids are searching porn, telling them to go fuck themselves, stealing their belongings.

      Their whole “teaching” time is managing classroom behaviours. Parents called in to talk about the kid, has had parents verbally abuse the teacher and being spit on by the dad. Police had to come.

      Even at the grade 1-3 level they had parents sending chat messages the whole time to some kids…so obviously the kid won’t put their phone away when asked.

      And then there are the entitled parents. One kid has challenges (parents claim autism, teachers just say its lack of any structure at home) so kid gets to free roam the class when overwhelmed, while everyone works. Parents then come in to complain that their child feels isolated when freeroaming the classroom and asked the teacher to allow free roam for all students so their kid doesn’t feel bad. Wtf.

      Just a complete mess of disrespect and unwillingness to focus on working. Parents don’t reinforce work habits either. Its a bumpy ride

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        Hell yes. As a former educator myself, I resonated deeply with all of the bullshit. Teachers can be the most proper and correct role models for students doing everything perfectly and going above and beyond, but it don’t mean shit if parents don’t also support the student/child in correcting their misbehavior.

        And don’t even get me started on the trend of accommodations and how they were both overused and yet poorly understood by students/parents.

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        I feel like COVID did a number on the socialization of kids that’s going to be studied for generations. It is likely made worse by parents who couldn’t/didn’t spend time to address this.

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        I’m not sure why you assume this but my wife and I both work in high school (grade 8 - 12) which is part of a small, fairly conservative community. Our administrative staff all the way up to superintendent are extremely supportive of these types of things. Inclusion and awareness is very important at our high school for everyone. We also have social media education introduced in multiple classes. About 3/4 of all staff are female and neither of us have witnessed this type of misogynistic behavior. Our struggle is racism, antisemitism and intolerance.

        I’m not saying that misogyny isn’t a problem, I experience it on instagram and YouTube all the time and the comment sections are insane. My point is that administration does care, we are encouraged to include this type of education in our curriculum and we talk about it during staff meetings.

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          Unfortunately not all administrators care, and some can be part of the problem. The school I work at has some endemic culture issues because of the “old boys” club that has been formed by the principal. I am glad that you have supportive administration, but that is less common than it should be.

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    While she says teachers are on the front lines, and she’s right, it’s not necessarily their responsibility to fix this problem beyond addressing it as it comes up.

    The onus is largely on the parents, but more importantly, it should be on all men to call this shit out as they see it.

    Little Bobby on your son’s hockey team is spouting drivel and you’re the coach? Don’t just sit there and go ‘meh, ain’t my kid’ - call it out. Talk about it. Penalize them if you have to. Rely on the systems already in place (like inclusion/safe space policies in sports leagues) to have your back when you have to act.

    You’re out supervising your kid and someone else’s kid playing and their kids start up with ‘women want to be raped’ - call that shit out. Shut it down. You might have an awkward conversation later with the parent, but any parent worth their salt will be ripping a strip off their kid if they find out how they have been acting.

    I feel like a lot of people are afraid to call out stuff like this because they’re worried about the backlash they may face, or get shamed for not considering the offender’s feelings. Offenders shouldn’t feel safe, and lack of action only emboldens them. Not very long ago, it used to be if you said something stupid, you got relentlessly mocked. We’ve moved away from that, and now every opinion is seen as equal; even the harmful ones.

    Make morons afraid again.

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      Couldn’t agree more. Parenting failures are the root of so much (though being charitable, there are many parents in working conditions that basically destroy their ability to parent effectively). Regardless of parents, any kid is shaped (raised) in big ways by the communities they participate in. I’ve got no problem telling a little knucklehead - even one I’ve never met - to quit mistreating folks in various ways when I see it. And I wish more people would too.

      But I also recognize that has the potential to really blow up (even violently) depending on the kid’s parents and the scenario. But still, many of us just recoil from even the idea of a disagreement, and that’s the mechanism that allows this stuff to fester in our youth. Take responsibility for your society, be mean to a kid who needs it today!

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          It’s deliberate social manipulation by 3rd wave feminists and conservative think tanks and they spend a lot of time and effort making sure everyone sees it all the time

          You get downvoted because your conclusion is “let’s blame it on women!”

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            Yeah, men face issues, but they’re all kind of byproducts of patriarchy. And a greater rate of poverty isn’t one, as far as I know.

            We seem to have summoned an incel.

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              Dude you need to chill out, make friends with some women, and touch grass in the real world. You’re a left-wing incel basically, from what you’ve written, you just don’t realize it. Just unplug from the internet for a while and chill out. Whatever happens on the internet is usually not reflective of the real world, just keep that in mind.

              Edit: I wrote exactly 12 words to you, and that makes you think I’m an “ignorant idealist” and have blood on my hands…?

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        I think part of it is that we’ve changed the role for women in society without changing the man’s role as quickly. We’ve also seen the destruction of being able to address men as a group in need of their own safe space.

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            In a lot of areas, two incomes per household is the only thing that keeps it a household. There is no need for propaganda.

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              Only because of the world wars normalizing full employment. Before then only the most poverty level households required two incomes and even then it wasn’t universal

              The propaganda is what has normalized it in your mind. The last 3 generations proves what happens when you let kids raise themselves

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                No, it’s because late stage capitalism requires prices to go up all the time, while salaries stagnate. People are spending way more of their income on housing these days, and even with two incomes they’re living paycheck to paycheck. Why would anyone need to be propagandized? It’s literally dual income or bust.

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                  Either dual income, or one person of the household better be making a mid-to-high six figure income.

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                  Thank you for repeatedly proving how effective propaganda is by repeating the normalization phrases over and over again, while also denying that it exists

                  You are the perfect patsy and I’m sure you are supremely convinced this is all of your own intention.

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            Two incomes per household has actually been normal for most people in most countries throughout history. The postwar nuclear family where only dad has paid work is a brief 40 year blip in western countries.

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                I’m not pigeonholing you, I’m responding in context to what I said earlier.

                A lot of the definition of being a good man and husband comes from being a provider; a definition that hasn’t changed while the definition of a good woman and wife has increased to helping to significantly provide for a family.

                If you don’t change the social acceptance of men doing other things than provide for a family, it is going to cause significant issues for those men who aren’t working.

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    If you haven’t, watch the Netflix series “Adolescence”. It shows a little bit the extreme of the current state of the incelsphere.

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        It was well acted, but the hour long one-shot was amazing since it is inside, outside, driving, aerial shots, etc.

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    I had known about those guys for a long time, but their thing is so goofy. I never expected it to be the meme ideology that takes off.

    At this rate, conservatism in 20 or 30 years might just be about male supremacy.

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        I mean, religious sensibilities, fiscal conservatism, free markets, federalism and lots of other things have more sway. And there’s no shortage of older women in the Conservative parties right now, if probably less than the men.