This is a perfect example for why the UK stopped allowing motorbike police chases. Because whatever crime they’ve committed, it doesn’t justify putting the lives of every other road user and pedestrian at risk. And as another commenter stated the cop was likely doing it for the lulz (and adrenaline rush) as much as the chased.
Ontario stopped chasing motorcycles. We now have unlicensed, uninsured cunts going >200km/hr weaving through traffic. Only a matter of time before they kill themselves. Ontario also has multiple race tracks these assholes will never show up to.
Probably anyone doing that wasn’t so worried about police motorcycles chasing them in the first place.
Are there anti-motorcycle measures they could install, like special speedbumps or bollards or something? It’d probably be much more effective than cyclecops.
We now have unlicensed, uninsured cunts going >200km/hr weaving through traffic.
I feel like we made a safe choice, here.
Ontario stopped chasing motorcycles.
I didnt know that! Wow sounds dangerous
The consensus here seems that it is ok to kill someone as long as the police aren’t involved.
These things run in a cycle. There’s a high profile chase or two that looks particularly dangerous, there’s public outcry, and high speed chases are banned.
The criminals very quickly figure this out, and use it to their advantage by immediately driving like absolute nutters to make the police abandon the chase. There’s a public outcry, and the police are once again allowed to chase criminals.
One of the best ones was helmets. The police weren’t allowed to ram someone on a motorbike without a helmet, in case they injured them. So all the bag snatchers etc immediately stopped wearing helmets.
It’s almost as if a handbag is of less value than human life…
It’s not just about those on the motorbike, anyone could be injured or killed in collisions because of high speed chases.
A car may instinctively swerve to avoid collision with one of the bikes and accidentally plough into 2 children crossing the road. Is that justified because somebody lost £200, their phone, drivers licence, a hairbrush, a packet of mints, some old receipts, and a leather handbag?
We’ve had more time with chases banned than not in recent times because the harms caused by chases significantly outweigh the harms done by petty criminals. Any crime that isn’t petty has the full weight of the surveillance state behind it, negating the need for an immediate chase.
It’s not just about those on the motorbike [:] anyone could be injured or killed in collisions because of high speed chases.
So, attempted murder, then?
Luckily, if there’s no cops chasing them, these law-flouting crooks will obey all traffic laws, so that problem is averted.
Attempted murder implies intent to kill.
I think it would be difficult to convince any reasonable jury that evading arrest comes with an intention to kill.
Law enforcement, being far more aware of the dangers involved. Being a professional organisation whose remit includes the safety of the populace. Is well funded. Has access to years worth of internal and external studies, and the advice of public and private institutions well versed in sociology, criminology, and road traffic statistics, should, in a fair world, be held liable for any manslaughter charges that occur in such a chase, rather than the chased.
But that doesn’t fit with the narrative of “grr, dickhead criminal on motorbike made me feel angry” I guess.
Do you think that crime is a one off thing or something? They’ll keep doing it until someone stops them.
Do you think chasing them will stop the next one from doing the same? The funny thing about people is we reproduce! There’s new ones of us springing up out of the woodwork all of the time. A constant stream of new potential criminals.
Crime is fixed by societal, political, and economic change. By thinking big picture. Not by throwing adrenaline junkie cops after adrenaline junkie thieves. Not by risking the public’s safety, and incurring great expense in fuel, training, wages, insurance, and vehicular wear at the same.
People generally commit crime because of their material conditions. You don’t fix a bad guy with a
gunbike by using a good guy with agunbike. You do it by preventing the need for the crime to be committed in the first place. Preventative measures instead of reactive measures. More social workers, less cops.It’s also driven by greed quite often, people wanting easy money.
You will always need law enforcement.
What causes greed in society? How do you prevent people constantly striving for “easy money”?
Could we perhaps change the current economic system which encourages mass hoarding of wealth by a small percentage of the population and desperation and crime for many others?
Something to think about.
I’m sure the UK police will get right on that.
Ive not noticed that cycle.
Police here do an assessment, consider the risks, decide what to do… you know, like professionals
It very much happens in the UK, here in NZ is the same to a lesser extent.
Maybe you need to pay more attention.
LOL.
Maybe you need to stop imagining patterns that confirm your hypothesis.
As you said, the public is unhappy when police are perceived to do nothing, and when police are perceived to cause an accident. Both are potential outcomes of any incident without the existence of any cycle.
Its absurd to suppose the police have a meeting and someone says “people are getting really grumpy that we’re letting all the crooks get away so we better start chasing them again”.
It’s not the police themselves making these decisions, typically elected officials.
So elected official calls the police commissioner and says “hey stop letting all the crooks get away we look silly”, and that gets passed all the way down the line without one single person saying, “why don’t we just assess each situation and make an intelligent decision as to whether the potential outcomes justify the risks”.
Sorry boss, what you’re saying just doesn’t make any sense.
Are you expecting the actions of elected officials to make sense?
And if you cared enough to pay attention, the rules around police pursuits do change frequently, moving backwards and forwards between permissive and restrictive of allowing chases.
Wouldn’t it be easier, cheaper, and safer to follow with a drone? Just keep an eye on them till they stop or run out of gas, and then move in for the arrest.
Excuse my while I take the 45min to get a drone to where it’s in range for its 30min battery pack to be useful.
You should write to them and tell them, since you’ve got this all figured out.
Most countries are the same. Typically in the US they just let them go and pick them up later if it turns into a chase situation. You have their license plate information, if they moved somewhere else they know who/where they are. So why risk everyonesv lives.
The overlap between bikers who run from police and bikers who have a legitimate plate is near nonexistent
You have their license plate information
Lol.
You can’t go based only on a plate, you have to confirm who the operator was.
All things considered that was a better outcome than I expected.
Some pretty impressive riding overall. Especially with a pillion and that small bike.
Yeah sure is.
I remember in that Senna documentary he talks about feeling “close to god” when he’s locked in. This video looks something like that.
Like all the work has been offloaded to the GPU which is calculating velocity and trajectory and reacting to other objects. The CPU is just along for the ride.
I guess stupid is impressive to some.
It can be both
By far the most shocking part of this video was that it ended with a gentle tip over instead of 2-3 meat crayons
Holy crap! That was exciting. Way better than Hollywood. Not that I condone this or anything but I was kind of disappointed they didn’t get away. The way they slowed it down for the close calls. Very compelling.
The video is sped up.
Yes. Well done.
I want to see what it looks like at normal speed.
Whew! I need some cocaine just to calm down after that!
This feels like straight out of GTA
This is some great fuckin content
Incredibile skills on both riders. Introduce these people to Carlo Pernat!
The biker has obvious skill - misused, unfortunately - but the passenger has it too and if that wasn’t the case the chase would have ended quickly and with horrible consequences.
But chases like these are dangerous, especially for bystanders. Any car driver could had panicked and swerve the wrong way and ram any of the bikes, other cars or pedestrians.
I wouldn’t say it’s misused if tou run away from violend corrupt people with guns. Or are you talking about the pig?
The cop was trained. The other guy developed those skills in the street. That deserves respect.
I feel like both parties were just doing this for the lulz
Cop couldve rammed them a hundred times but simply kept slowing down every time he got close. I guess this was the least violent outcome so good job lol
Ramming them while he’s on a bike too would have been a terrible idea as he’d have come off too. He did the right thing by just following, tracking them until they dismounted either intentionally or otherwise.
Cop has a clearly bigger bike, given the skill he displayed I think pulling up and kicking them off was definitely an option.
Nah, there’s no way.
The angle is all wrong for a kick, you dont have much power.
If they’re trying to avoid you theres no way.
Way back when I was in school a kid tried ramming me on my bike with his, he learned very quickly why that’s not a great idea. The rammer will completely lose steering and end up ass over tea kettle the second his front tire touches the other bike. The other bike will be fine unless you also get his front tire, in which case you both will go down.
Only thing the cop could have done is get in front of the other bike and cut it off, hitting the other bike’s front tire with his back tire. That would keep him stable and cause the other guy to bite it, which is very dangerous to even try and can really go wrong quick.
Like others said you cant really ram someone on a bike.
The game is just to keep pressure on them until they make an error, which they did.
When they’re zipping through those tiny alleys it was inevitable that sooner or later theyd get blocked in or have to climb some stairs or something.
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I played that for months nonstop.
Omg I miss that game!
I have to wonder what these people did to warrant such a dangerous chase.
I saw reporting that they did nothing, the guy got spooked and ran even though he had a valid license and registration. He would’ve been let go, except he caused a chase.
That is stupid as shit. Could’ve killed someone over nothing.
The problem is, you don’t often find out why they’re running until you catch them. He could have been wanted for murder for all we know.
Is it worth nearly killing several people to catch someone who’s done “something”?
In many countries this is considered to be irresponsible on the police’s part. Society isn’t an 80s American cop show.
I’m sorry but that’s bullshit. Unless they are actively suspected for committing a serious crime, there’s no way this chase is justified.
It’s not worth risking the lives of innocent bystanders just because some unknown individual didn’t stop.
So the law depends on how fast you can evade capture. Good luck with that.
I mean, yeah. Literally.
Hold on. Do you think it’s legal to speed away from a police officer just because they don’t pursue you in a highspeed chase through a highly populated area?
That is still illegal. But in civilised countries the police will abort the chase due to concerns of public safety. It’s not worth an innocent bystander being killed as a result of the chase. That doesn’t mean the crime of fleeing goes away.
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- Be in Brazil
Took 20 minutes to see 1:30min of video, The lemmy is really not adapted to video, now I am pissed and feel like I missed out even if it’s totally not important. I am starting to hate tech sooooo much !
Worked great on voyager app
I am using Voyager. It seems to work well now. I am using the same home wifi connection with nothing else. Might have been a server/route issue since everything else was working normally. I even speed tested earlier and everything was showing normal. But I seem to see it often with videos hosted on lemmy servers.
Native app or web app? I had the issues you are describing when I used to use the web app. Native app seems to be better
That sounds odd. It loaded without issue for me on mobile and on my desktop.
are you using a VPN? the video is from catbox.moe, sometimes they block VPNs
No and anything else loads fine just some video on some lemmy servers. It’s laughable to see a 140P video lag like crazy when we worked out video streaming like 20 years ago.
I just believe the server was overloaded since it worked fine later, and on my side everything was fine, the speed test showed no issues too.
Thank you! I’m using boost and this worked for me.
you don’t necessarily have to disable your VPN btw, I just switch vpn servers till I find one that works. But disabling VPN works too
Yeah, switched to current country and it worked.
