Post-covid inflation proved to companies that customers will pay up regardless because they want it and they want it now, no matter the price. Hell, we laughed at horse armor but microtransactions caught on anyway. Voting with your wallet doesn’t work because there are an endless swarm of consoomers itching to blow their money on product.
Consent is actually way cheaper to make than a product that’s good for people.
Sad reality
I’m out. I know that it wont amount to much in the grand scheme of things. I switched from a pure Playstation background (owned 1 through 5 on release day and had hundreds of games for each generation) over to PC. I wont partake in this, and I have spent thousands of hours with GTA.
Between Playatation being shitty and now Rockstar being extra shitty, I’m out.
Do not preorder anything ever
Cyberpunk 2077 was the last game I’ll ever pre-order. I’m more of a wait for the complete edition to go on sale kind of guy now.
Especially digital stuff. What are they going to do, run out of bytes?
Oh I’ll preorder from soft games. Preorder when you trust the source and they don’t have a history of fuckery.
I get what your saying, but companies will cash out your trust for money eventually, just a matter of them needing a good quarter
100% but I’d like to think companies tend to telegraph their bullshittery enough in advance that unless you have blinders on you’ll see it
I just pre-ordered fallout 6!!! Even though fallout 5 will never see the light of day /j obv
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Yepp I learned that lesson with Destiny 2
So I was watching JoeFromSeattle and he basically has an observation/theory from repeatedly interacting with these people on Twitter.
… They literally do not count themselves as ‘gamers’, they use the word to identify others.
These are the people who buy Madden/FIFA every year, every COD, every Battlefield, and assume everyone does that, to the point of projecting it without realizing it and then not believing you if you say you didn’t do that as well.
… they are very often illiterate, cannot understand sentences above roughly Grade 5 complexity, always assume they are correct and work backwards to attempt to form a justification for whatever they’ve decided is corrrect.
… they’re morons.
Like just… complete fucking morons.
And that’s not an insult, its simply accurate.
It’s always fun going through Facebook marketplace and seeing consoles for sale with their “game collection” which is just 10 boxes with the yearly iterations of FIFA and CoD.
I think you’ve hit the nail on the head there and I’ll extend as someone who used to love sports games, I haven’t physically bought one since like Xbox 360 when I think my system was bundled with it. All sports games are digital now because it’s the same goddamn game at this point with roster updates what is the bloody point? Lol
So even then I agree but I don’t think it’s just that they’re morons they are either disingenuous morons or truly stupid because I sense a lot of them are not buying physical media of their FIFA or NBA games anymore.
Used game stores back this up. What you see at used game stores now are the ever popular mainstream shit that has no replay value, where are all the FIFA copies? Oh right everyone downloads now.
You know what you don’t see at gamestop? Elden ring. It’s good. Replay value high.
You know what else you don’t see at gamestop? Clair obscura. It’s new. Physical media is dead.
I appreciate the perspective and refinement of the idea.
Yeah, I’m in the crowd of like, bought a Madden game once, had decent fun with it… and then realized the business model is just ‘add two features, take 2 away’, every fucking year and the whole thing is a scam.
I’m looking for actually new kinds of gameplay, something novel, or maybe a hodgepodge of mechanics tuned or arranged in a new kind of way, or like, absolutely perfected.
Either that or compelling stories and characters, or something with a really distinct art/graphical style.
Like uh, Clair Obscura arguably checks at least most of those boxes for most people… Elden Ring is basically the ‘perfected’ version of Dark Souls, etc.
But yeah… either disingenuous or just truly stupid, as you put it.
I’m sorry but if you’re not playing at least one of those games every year, you are the minority. Those people who constantly buy and play games are more of a “gamer” than a judgemental arse like yourself. Those games you criticise are by FAR the most played and bought games every year, played by tens of millions of people - the majority of gamers.
People like you give “gamers” a bad name.
How are they giving gamers a bad name? Even assuming they’re wrong, how does that work? They give gamers a bad name because they got a statistic wrong? Makes no fucking sense.
They’re gatekeeping gaming and calling people who don’t interact with games the way they do morons. It’s childish and, whether it’s wrong or not, rude. The upvotes are what gives gamers a bad name, though, not his statement.
They just called the MAJORITY of the video game buying population “fucking morons”, and “nOt ReAl GaMeRs” because they have a different opinion to them, even though that opinion is the overwhelmingly popular opinion.
You don’t see how that gives “gamers” a bad name? Gatekeeping “gamers” to the tiny minority of people who buy physical games, don’t buy the biggest and most played games, and calling everyone else a fucking moron?
Ahahah!
No, no… you can’t read that well, can you?
Try again buddy, go … slower this time, understand how qualified statements work, and keep in mind the entire context of what I said.
You’ve concluded that I said a whole bunch of things that I did not say.
Apparently I’ve triggered you quite seriously… I wasn’t intending to, but uh… yeah, try again, try to read the words that I actually said.
If your first rebuttal has you calling someone “triggered”, while offering no counter points, it’s safe to say you have already lost.
Got it, understood, you can’t read.
Sorry about that for you, good luck with life.
You’re basically just following the “what to say when you’re losing an online argument” guide 🤣
I don’t understand why people are piling on and blocking you. The comment you’re replying to is whiny gatekeeping with a name-calling bow on top. They accuse this group of excluding themselves from “gamers” while calling them stupid and criticizing the way they entertain themselves. I don’t know that I’d want to be in a group that talks about me like that, either.
Oh my god one of you actually showed up!
I’d ask you what its like to so thoroughly lack self awareness, but unfortunately, you wouldn’t be able to tell me, by definition.
Also just no, your ‘facts’ are bullshit.
You know what category of games consistently earn the most revenue?
Mobile games. Cell phone games. That’s over half of the money getting spent on video games.
The majority of gamers, people who play video games, people who spend money on video games… they play gacha games on phones… they’re not perennial Madden/FIFA/COD players.
So if you don’t have a gacha game waifu… you’re actually in the minority too.
So yeah… fundamentally ignorant, extremely overconfident… wanna check any more of those boxes, buddy?
Just imagine me bouncing a ball off of your forehead repeatedly, I’m sure that’ll put you in the right mind state for this.
We’re talking about console and pc players, not mobile. Did you not know that they are separated out in all of the reports? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
No. We are not.
And no, they are not.
You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.
You just proved their point…
Nothing I said remotely proves his point.
Officially the first account I block on lemmy. Ain’t no way this isn’t AI-generated rage bait.
Oh no, whatever will I do……
I mean, I play a lot of video games. I don’t identify as a gamer mostly because of the gamergate bullshit connotations.
That’s exactly it. It used to just mean “People who played games.” Then it got soiled and politicized.
So to their point, yeah, there’s huge groups of people that don’t care about “gamer problems” because they don’t see themselves as “those people”, even as they…buy and play lots of games.
They sell us out as well as themselves, and are completely oblivious to the consequences.
you’re making a lot of faulty assumptions, primarily that people who either don’t play or identify as gamers do not care about problems in gaming.
There’s a distinction between gamer and capital G Gamer
Corporate Serfs is the word you may be looking for
Is rockstar owned by Sony?
It does feel like the average person has the self control of a toddler.
Most people just accept anything as “the way it is”. They can’t reason why things are the way they are beyond a certain point, and that’s well before they reach the point where they realize they are being taken advantage of.
It has to be a thing that has a very direct cause and effect for them to not accept it. Like COVID lockdowns for example.
The ‘everyone is 12’ joke-theory is actually just essentially true.
In the US, the average adult person in fact is no more literate or ‘numerate’ than a 12 year old, a 5th grader.
The average person literally is a tween, in terms of higher thought capacity.
Again… this is not a joke, it is just actually true.
Apply George Carlin logic to this.
50% of American adults are less mentally capable than 12 year olds.
"Think about how stupid the average person can be.
Half of the population is even dumber!"
The entire generation after the Millenials are impulsive and raised entirely on being nickeled and dimed to death.
I assume you’re being downvoted because this is true for every generation for the past 150 years, give or take. However, I agree that it’s gotten so much worse over the past ~20. Since phones, microtransactions, and subscriptions have become the norm, it’s accelerated to an astounding degree.
we ain’t getting paid in scrip yet. got paid in tacos a few times. those were some of the better gigs actually.
Didn’t even know I was honestly. I guess there is a nuance that comes with explaining a position like mine. It was 100% in sympathy of the newer generations, not an attack. They’re so overwhelmed with subscriptions, FOMO, and legally children’s gambling like loot boxes that it’s fucking depressing.
They charge they phones, eat hot chip, and lie.
I don’t understand this. Do something else.
Somebody do something
Somebody find me somebody to love
Some BODY
And they don’t stop coming
It’s another Saturday night and I ain’t got!
Somebody that you used to know
Somebody do somebody
I don’t think they care as much as you think they do, it is how the average person would have purchased the game regardless
Exactly. The people showing their real level of intellect are the people who seem to be unable to understand the facts of the situation, think that they know better than the company who actually manufactures and sells the things, and call everyone else dumb and unintelligent for not agreeing with their factually incorrect opinion.
think that they know better than the company who actually manufactures and sells the things,
Do you think corporations have your best interest in mind? The company who makes and sells GTA wants to make money. That’s it. That’s the sum total of their intent.
No, absolutely not, and I didn’t even hint at that.
I’m saying that Sony know the exact number of physical games that are printed and sold vs the number of digital games. They know that it’s 10:1 in favour of digital. That’s why they’re doing this. It’s best for their bottom line.
Dude, just how much do you enjoy the taste of boot leather?
Ah yes, one of the clearest ways to show your intelligence and how right you are is to go straight to calling people bootlickers. You sure showed me. Definitely not a sign of being more akin to a whiney child. Not at all.
You’re literally sucking boot for toxic corporate practices, what else do you call that if not a bootlicking?
Enjoy your slop.
Keep going with showing us all how intelligent you are.
Enjoy GTA6, cause we all know you’ll buy it 🤣
It’s more about personal principles and values, not self control. I make impulsive purchases all the time, but exactly 0% of them goes to scummy piece of shit corporations whose board of directors should be put on death row.
There’s an element of self control to sticking to values. I’ve seen people proclaim like they’re going to boycott EA because of various reasons, but then some shiny new game comes out and those values fall.
Maybe they never really had he values in the first place.
GTA 6 won’t come out for Linux. So not buying it is easy
AFAIK, Rockstar usually releases for PC a year or more after consoles. I believe GTA 5 will run on Linux with story mode, but not online mode due to the anti-cheat rootkit . Is there an indication that 6 will be different?
LPT is always in the comments
I’ll boycott it like I boycotted Concord. Or Cleopatra. Or Dr. Who. Or SuperGirl. Or Mixtape. Or Odyssey by Nolan. I’ll do nothing and destroy them, I’ll watch them burn doing nothing and being happy
Confucius say: Do not lament the bootlicker giving over their paycheck to Rockstar for their entry price to microtaxation. Celebrate instead the indie game that fulfilled your dream of slapping Nazis with a trout.
Is that real? I wanna slap some Nazis with some trout
GTA5 was out for like three years on PC before I bothered with it. I found it to be… fairly mediocre. There’s nothing in GTA6 that would make me feel otherwise. I’ll eventually play it… at great discount, or not at all.
Yeah I genuinely don’t understand the hype. Maybe I’m just old and fully saturated with GTA already.
nothing special but rabid fans and worth a billion dollars, it’s the Taylor Swift of video game franchises
yup they got the hype when they had the “florida edition”
Keep in mind…
0 actual gameplay footage, so far.
Zilch, 0, Nada, None.
Also, … it wont even be capable of hitting 60 fps on a PS5 or Xbox series fucking whatever.
It might even be locked at 30.
https://wccftech.com/gta-6-skip-60-fps-entirely-insane-detail-ps5-pro/
… where the fuck is the baffled Jackie Chan meme when I need it?
Yeah this shit makes no sense to be excited for, unless you basically have oppositional defiance disorder, and you just enjoy being snide, in a group.
Literally… Back a few years ago when that idiot hacked into RockStar and leaked the alpha build of GTA6… (and was then immediately caught because he is an idiot)… thats it. Clips from that are the closest to actual gameplay anyone has ever seen.
Maybe but it’s also sloppified. I mean, a casino? Really? GTA V Online lost the irony and became just bad.
I liked it, but I only owned San Andreas, played a bit of IV and LCS, then V, so I haven’t really reached GTA fatigue yet
Nothing will ever top GTA 2 for me. That was such an awesome game. It was just stupidly fun.
It’s like people with windows computers who complain about Apple
Some people don’t understand the difference in quality as they lack taste
That’s certainly an opinion
Apple does some things well, Windows does some different things well, and increasingly, for the everyday users who mostly thought those were the only two choices, Linux does some things well.
It’s all about what you, the user, care about.
Braindead take.
Educated take, most people that complain about Apple have never really used them
False assumption. But if you want to be braindead then be my guest.
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I thought it was pretty cool, as a crass story, mockery of aspects of corporations and society, and as a driving sim. My least favourite part of any MMO is its griefing potential. Fallout 76 was okay because while you, a roleplayer/gamer interested in the game, still got hurt by griefers only interested in murdering other humans, it reduced damage to a miniscule level.
GTA V Online required that you either secede from society entirely with a private lobby or become a true pacifist, meaning no PvE. Later on they stopped selling exclusively weapon-free vehicles to players and the entertainment level of free roam for me dropped to zero. After that it became just a hub for racing, FPS or sitting in the apartment watching TV, all of which can be better achieved elsewhere.
Very early on they had an actual player investible and influenceable stock market, in Online.
They shut that down quite quickly though.
Because you could make money too easily.
Shark Cards only baby!
Fuck our interesting gameplay mechanic, strip that shit out, MTX, make RockStar into the comically evil tech corpos they mock in GTA V’s own story.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Heh. I have played a few games, and the only ones with functional auction houses and economies had ways to put real money in, but not get real money out.
Well the original GTA stock market did not let you take real money out.
That would have been completely insane.
Basically only EVE online, I think, has anything close to that, kind of, its complicated.
But the point I’m getting at is… they had a game mechanic that, if you were clever, could make you in game rich.
They destroyed this mechanic, and replaced it with ‘if you want to be in game rich, give us actual moneh.’
I started playing GTA 5 shortly after launch and could make the same statement.
I’ve bought launch day on this series for a few iterations now.
The last good GTA game was GTA 2.
Well that’s a crazy take, you can just say you don’t like the Rockstar narrative open-world shooter style.
I can also say I didn’t want to buy it, but gta1 and 2 were great arcade games. They were ready to emulate too.
I don’t know why I played saints row and not gta. I blame zoidberg
I enjoyed Vice City, but never finished it.
Are we at the anti-rockstar coping phase where we pretend that most of their games are trash already? 🤣
GTA3 was revolutionary and legit one of the most important, best games of all time. Vice city was arguably even better of a game. 5 is just an insane open world, the likes which we’ve never seen in a game.
Now I say this as someone who has no interest in GTA6, got a free copy of GTA5 on 360 and sold it unopened, and hated GTA4, so don’t assume I’m some GTA fanboy.
Watched a video recently about how they engineered GTA3 to load this impression of an enormous city on the PS2’s miniscule amount of RAM. He showed how the city loads and unloads itself around the player, which was crazy genius for the time.
He also explains how because of those memory limitations, you could end up going to grab a sweet sports car and would suddenly find everyone else was driving one too lol.
It was by Game Maker’s Toolkit. https://youtu.be/cIbCxbrBCys?is=EtKDSUr8BcpU8tuK
I love stories like this and I’m not even big on GTA. I sure did like Saint’s Row 3 and 4 though. XD
Yep it was a genuine technical marvel. 4MB of VRAM and 32MB of system ram for that. Absolutely incredible.
I’ll be honest, I haven’t touched a GTA since Vice City on the PC.
You should play gta4 it’s a masterpiece
Liberty city stories on the psp on my end. I got the last one or PC installed it played it for two days and then I threw it out after playing multi-player and the only thing people wanted to do was heist.
Modded private servers are actually really good for the last GTA but yeah the official GTAO experience is ass. And private servers will probably suck for 6 since they bought out CFX.
People have the power to shut down bad practices if they had even a modicum of restraint. They don’t, so here we are.
At some point though you have to accept that if the vast majority are ok with something, it’s probably not an actual issue.
You don’t have to like it or agree with it, and you have the ability to vote with your wallet. Digital only people have been voting with their wallet for years, and physical copy buyers haven’t.
"oh it’s popular, so it must be okay’
What an utterly braindead take.
It’s more like “Over 90% of people chose this path by their own free will, and are happy enough with it that they choose to continue doing it rather than stop, so it’s not inherently bad like I think it is”.
Only someone who is brain dead could not understand that.
You’re literally engaging in the popularity fallacy. You’re an braindead idiot who just wants to suck corporate boot.
Word of advice: when you start quoting a fallacy, you’re wrong almost every time.
Oh look, more fallacious logic.
You’re two for two.
This is a defeatist mindset.
Most people accept the enshittification of the world because they do not know better or they just go with the flow. This is why we have so many problems outside of gaming as well.
Most people weighed up the pros and cons of digital vs physical, chose digital, and haven’t looked back. There is no “do not know better”. Hundreds of millions of people think digital is better. Pc has been all digital for an eternity and it’s been going great.
It’s kind of disheartening not having solidarity as consumers. It also feeds this kinda FOMO because you showed restraint and are missing out on something.
I’ve come to terms with this. I view fomo content as disrespectful and I do not support the companies that use it as a tactic.
I missed out on Helldivers 2 because I’m on Linux now and I’m NOT putting that shitty kernel-level rootkit on my system over a game.
Which really sucked, having enjoyed Helldivers 1 a ton, and seeing all my Steam friends playing it. :(
Last I heard HD2 works fine with proton hotfix
Nice! Buuut what about “n protect gameguard”? Does it sandbox it or…?
This might just show how little I know, but how would it be running kernel level Anticheat? Steam isn’t running as sudo and I assume that you’d need those permissions. I thought games that required kernel anti-cheat simply didn’t work on Linux.
Well there have been some strides. Games using EAC (Easy Anti-Cheat) seem to work fine now. EAC tends to be more acceptable because it’s well known that it shuts down as soon as the game is quit.
A lot of these other solutions like Riot’s thingy or whatever Battlefield 6 uses, seem to enjoy (and insist upon) running even while the game isn’t, which is positively sus.
So yeah in the case of Nprotect, I really don’t know. I’ve heard on Windows it’s pretty invasive and jank though, with the usual security assurance of “Lol just trust us bro.”
It’d be neat if it would be contained on a Linux system but also…wouldn’t that void the point? It seems they wouldn’t be satisfied with allowing Linux players if that were the case.
The uncertainty is the frustrating part. =\
People are desperate to latch on to any morsel of media that can distract them from our burning planet, our exploitative society, and their resultant miserable life
Thats why they dont have control, they need this desperately
Idk how this was downvoted. This plays an extremely heavy influence on people’s decisions.
No one wants to hear it because its them too
I’m not sure why we’re surprised.
This entire gen has had spotty coverage of physical games at the best of times. Even on the biggest titles.
Just off the top of my head BG3 wasn’t even available on disc, and Indiana Jones was only in some overpriced collector’s edition.
I guess the odd way GTA6 is putting a code in a box is grabbing the headlines, rather than it just not being available on a disc.
It’s still a pretty big deal because rockstar games are huge and some people still have bad internet. I probably wouldn’t have bought RDR2 on PS4 if it didn’t have a physical copy of the game, precisely because I was keeping that console at my parent’s place to have something to do there despite their terrible internet connection.
I think it’s more that we still think of consoles as something you put media into. We have all but abandoned physical media on PCs for over a decade now. I love not having to deal with finding space for discs, but I don’t trust anything anymore so I feel like it’s only a matter of time before I lose access to things I bought
I trust the “code in a box” even less than a digital download, honestly. I’ve had similar things where it just said my code was invalid, and it was WAY more of a PITA to get it rectified than it should have been. If you ever go that route, keep the receipt!
GTA is the exact same formula since GTA3.
Sure you get a different story, visual upgrades, and some newer cars. But you’re not paying for a new gaming experience, it’s essentially become what people made fun of CoD or Nintendo games for.
In that sense you’ll get the same thrills from past games. That’s also why I didn’t give a shit about anything past 3, because I like to play new games not reskins.
I think it’s only survived because it is in this niche of socially acceptable “cool” games. You can admit to playing GTA to almost anyone and your not as much a “gamng nerd”, but if you like a fantasy RPG your some basement dwelling dweeb. Honestly they are not all that different from each other.
different story, visual upgrades, newer cars
Just spitballing here, but isn’t that like 90% of what makes a game? Or at the very least, literally any sequel?
Replacing “cars” with whatever is game-appropriate, of course
My idiot brother learned the term “fetch quest” and then snobbed himself right out of gaming. He couldn’t see anything happening around “go here, interact with mcguffin, go back”
The family grew up loving Sierra games, especially stuff made by the Coles, so I don’t know where he got that.
Technically correct. Why play any other game if you’ve played Fallout? It’s all going somewhere to get a thing to do a thing! I’ve been screwed this whole time!
Let’s also not forget that much of the talent that built GTA from 1 to 5 left Rockstar and did not work on 6. So there’s no reason to believe it will even be as good as the rest of the series has been.
Source?
What percentage of developers stayed from 3 to 4? 4 to 5? 5 to 6?
We know next to nothing about GTA6. It could be a revolutionary game for all we know. It could be the greatest game of all time.
Its going to be middle of the road
A very pretty very expensive game
Big. Large. Empty
Go to point A then point B shoot these guys that just spawned in… Oh you thought the huge open world would allow you to do interesting stuff? No you Just do the same as back in 2003. But now in
4K900P upscaled 30fps lockedMaybe, maybe not. We don’t know, that’s my point.
Rockstar has not deviated since the PS2 why would they now
You think they’ve done nothing but “go here shoot bunch of guys” since the PS2?
Rockstar peaked with Red Dead Redemption 2.
They peaked with their last game they released? And you know this how?
Because the GTA remastered trilogy was a joke and Rockstar had several notorious employment issues in the 8 years since RDR2 released.
I mean it’s entirely possible they could rebound but this game has every rug pull flag written all over it.
Rockstar didn’t make the remastered trilogy.
Rockstar peaked with Table Tennis.
Unironically their best game. All my friends though it’s a joke when i wanted to play withe them.
True next gen game
