Is, “influenced by billionaires,” a euphemism for, “she let her uber executive brother-in-law talk her into gutting any economic populism from her campaign in favor of tepid centrist policies that cost her the election and ushered in a new era of American fascism?”
I mean I’m not sure Bernie is that woke, much as I love him, but that’s pretty much the view from over here.
I disagree, but I do think he has an outdated notion of civil politics and wouldn’t make the same point in connection with her. I’m surprised he said as much about Harris, though I’m grateful if it helps dissuade the Dems from re-nominating her.
I dont know if you’ve been to reddit but there are a ton of Gavin Newsom posts. They’re probably gonna force this blue conservative down the voting publics throats.
And all i hear are crickets from the democratic party regarding replacing First-past-the-post voting in the blue states they control. The democrats will never release their hostages willingly.
Nobody trusts the DNC, we just don’t know what to do otherwise at this point. How DO we the people get past the 2 party system? How DO we reduce the powers of the presidency without a president themselves reducing those powers? How do we get someone in that seat who will actually act in our interests? How DO we get a bought-and-paid-for congress out of their seats when money runs unchecked through our politics?
I’ve been posting on the Jon Stewart 2028 thread. At least over there I get to dream that somebody might already be popular enough with the electorate to forgo the DNC’s king-making process. We’re in a bad way and not getting set up for success in the next cycle.
No doubt about it…
You mean when she changed her tune mid stride and went centrist?
Centrist? She campaigned with Cheney. That’s right wing.
She was at the center between fascism and conservatism.
She did that in 2020…
There was only a very very brief window she pretended to be slightly progressive, but it was an act everyone saw thru, and the dumbasses that were running the party till this year just threw her with Biden because they legitimately thought Black woman equals progressive vote.
Everyone held their noses for Biden because he was the only option, so they just tried to double down on it. It’s what happens when a party is corrupt, the people who rise to the top are the ones willing to do anything for donations, because that was the sole metric the old guard cared about.
If you could raise money for their shitty candidate, you got promoted. So we ended up with over a billion dollar campaign that was almost certainly a grift and a complete waste of money from state parties that handed trump the House.
Now, all that being said…
The voting members of the DNC did finally wake up and elected a chair who wouldn’t fight against the party’s own base. Martin ran Minnesota for a decade, made it solid blue, and home to some of our most progressive politicians and highschool football coach Tim Walz as governor.
If he’s a neoliberal bought off by billionaires and AIPAC, then he’s absolute dog shit at stopping progressives in primaries, and it’s completely illogical that he kept supporting them in the general.
We got an equal playing field for the first time since the 90s.
We just need to get people to show up in the primary. We can’t fucking waste this chance.
There were ~6 more progressive candidates and she did horribly. She saw the money on the other side and thought, “fuck it.”
Hopefully the playing field stays intact
I mean, I voted for her, and would vote for her again any day if it meant voting against Trump, but he’s not wrong.
She’s not really unique in that aspect compared to any other mainstream Democrat vs any outsider or mainstream Republican, and that’s probably ~90% of the DNC’s problem when it comes to overcoming voter apathy.
Realistically, most people are not expecting Dems to refuse large donations, but accepting a donation should not mean that you then compromise your own values to accommodate 1% of voters on any issue. That’s not how a democracy is supposed to work. That’s just pay to play.
The Dems though paint this like it’s a “necessary evil” they just have to accept all these donations from the ultra wealthy because you can’t win any other way
So the position starts off cynically pragmatic, and cynical pragmatism makes for a shitty rallying cry.
But then it doesn’t even work. They sell out to get the big money donations and then lose.
Ineffective cynical pragmatism is an even worse rallying cry.
And any time you get a Sanders or a Mamdani that shows a different path to success they go “oh sure that worked for them but it wouldn’t work anywhere else, only our cynical pragmatism works everywhere as long as you ignore all these electoral defeats”
The Dems though paint this like it’s a “necessary evil” they just have to accept all these donations from the ultra wealthy because you can’t win any other way
So the position starts off cynically pragmatic, and cynical pragmatism makes for a shitty rallying cry.
But then it doesn’t even work. They sell out to get the big money donations and then lose.
Ineffective cynical pragmatism is an even worse rallying cry.
And any time you get a Sanders or a Mamdani that shows a different path to success they go “oh sure that worked for them but it wouldn’t work anywhere else, only our cynical pragmatism works everywhere as long as you ignore all these donations from electoral defeats”
Its so stupid to me that we’ve now reached the point that politicians don’t even pretend to be public servants anymore. They’re just paypigs doing whatever the money wants. Used to be, a campaign donation got you a “hi how are ya” and maybe a thank you card after the election. They sent you money and it was nice of them because you needed it.
Now with kamala, she got the largest grassroots fundraising of any candidate in history and what does she do? Listen to a bunch of rich fucks who gave the maximum contribution. I bet they all voted for Trump too. She’s either the most incompetent and gullible politician in american history or the dnc are fascist collaborators. The way she turned away from every popular idea she had makes it seem like she was told to lose. Im sure its been fucking great for her brother tho.
The big money on both sides is invested in the same places.
The rest follows from that.
Bernie is correct as per usual.
If only being correct has value with society at large…
Maybe he should start a podcast. Seemed to have worked for the right.
Are we reddit now, posting USA Today articles like they’re a proper news source? This is /r/news behavior. Might as well start linking New York Post articles, too.
https://www.compassvermont.com/p/bernie-sanders-criticizes-harris
Thanks for doing the leg work. USA Today is slop.
@[email protected] appears to either be a bot or a newly minted user from Reddit. They’re even using their Reddit Snoo as their avatar. I might just block them to avoid this idiotic content. They’re posting lots of the same.
They’re a well-known, prolific, old account. They’re not a bot nor new.
Ain’t good content, though. Woof.
Just because the account is old isn’t reason to believe they aren’t entirely a bad actor.
Never liked them but try to be civil.
They joined 2 years ago with a posting history to match. And they’re a frequent enough user that I recognise their name.
They appear to be neither of those things you’ve described.
I might just block them to avoid this idiotic content.
Ironic on your end there.
Bruh return2ozma has been here forever, def not newly minted. There have been memes referencing their posting habits
There’s memes of me? Hah! Link them I’d like to see them. I know I’m controversial here but it’s just the Internet. Gotta have a tough skin.
News to me. Been on Lemmy for two+ years, but migrated off of World because of the mods.
This is some actual bot behavior
Been here since the Reddit API exodus. Same username on Reddit. Nearly 2 million karma when I left.
So I’ve been informed by like 5 others. I apologize.
No apology needed. Enjoy Lemmy
Are we reddit now
Pretty much. Have you gone on Reddit? It’s literally the same posts as Lemmy. We’re a filtered version that isn’t controlled by a corporation but almost all the content here still comes directly from Reddit
This seems to be how the majority of Democrats in office are and they’ll never see themselves as wrong… They just point at Trump and say he’s what’s wrong. And yeah they’re not wrong about that but that doesn’t make them right or good either. You get stuck running for a bad candidate or a downright evil candidate. And yeah I voted for Harris. I voted for Biden and Hilary too. Id vote for a literal log of shit on the floor before I voted for Trump, but that doesn’t mean I liked the Democratic candidates or that I’m super happy with party. This country isn’t set up to make third party candidates an option… But no…I don’t think the Democrats in office will every see themselves as a problem.
A third of your comment is a disclaimer that democrats arent exactly the same as Republicans. Sorry, you are well below the 69% threshold, and are now a secret Republican nazi Russian communist who loves trump with all your heart! /$
It’s not just Harris, it’s the whole Democratic Party leadership DNC…
Well, duuuhhh. Is this a new or unique take?
don’t forgot all the aipac bribes she took to look the over way as children were slaughtered.
You and your single issue /s
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This but no /s. “You and your single issue” was a contributing factor in getting everything worse, including the single issue you think you care about.
Keep on blaming the voters, it’s been working wonderfully so far.
By the way: I’ve never been to the USA but I’d already made up my mind about never going long before Trump’s victory in 2016.
It’s a godamn genocide there is no bigger crime against humanity then a genocide. It’s completely worth it
Ah yes, committing extra genocide will fix it!
Flawless logic buddy.
You keep supporting the same terrible two parties that support genocide so fon’t blame other for your complicity
You helped the worst of them be elected thus making genocide worse.
I didn’t , you americans who voted for the same two terrible parties are. You americans been fine with the terrible system for 160 goddamn year
in getting everything worse, including the single issue you think you care about.
People who voted for harris and trump are the only one to blame. Dems also share the responsibility for being bad at everyehing allowing trump to fool people and vote for him
It’s always amazing to me how people will blame those that couldn’t stomach voting for a pro-genocide candidate, instead of blaming the candidate for being pro-genocide.
Bernie is pointing out one of the major flaws of the Democratic Party and he is way ahead of his time in regard to US politics. Can you imagine if the USA would look at itself like Norway.
An oil producing enthostate governed by a neoliberal plutocracy?
I think we already tried that under Bush, Obama, and Biden.
Name one mainstream party in the current day world that isn’t being influenced by billionaires or their country-specific equivalents (if the country has no billionaires for instance)
Some green parties considering all of their policies are conflicts of interests with billionaires?
They still heavily compromise, only targeting very specific sectors.
Besides, billionaires aren’t a monolith - they also have differing interests. Someone might have a heavy stake in solar power for instance and no stake in oil, in which case they’d support greens.
Greens in Australia do not take donations from corporations or property developers.
https://greens.org.au/campaigns/dirty-donations
They are the third largest party and hold balance of power in the Senate.
Mario Party
Bowser (evil billionaire who owns multiple castles) has paid Nintendo big bucks to make games about him and include him into Mario Party.
Sorry but this is true
NO DISTRACTIONS WHERE ARE THE TRUMP/EPSTEIN FILES‽‽
We don’t actually need the files to eject the occupant of the whitehouse from that residence. I mean, We The People are in charge. We just have to decide to do it.
You’re ADORABLE. Can I pinch your puffy red cheeks?
So, you’re saying we do need the files before we drag out the guillotines?
You don’t have the local lumber, the Chinese steel, or the skilled labor to build them in the first place, is what I’m saying.
What does any of that have to do with the fact that Trump fucked kids?
I would point out that you probably have access to a chainsaw and a tree, and a scrappable vehicle made primarily of steel. These are things that the typical 18th century French peasant didn’t have.
Ya I don’t have the intention to reduce suffering and a shotgun costs $200.00. I’m thinking kind of an aim low disappearing act sort of gig.
Sure you do. Playstation brain.
The sky will be blue
can I have an article also?
The sky’s green, idiot. I shit myself. Can I be president now?
Sorry, too literate.
MAH PEANITS MEH BE TEENEE TANEE BUT MUH LUV FOR YOU IS LORGE. THANK YOU FOR YOURE ATTENTIN 2 THIS MATUR -GD
Can I be president now?
You had it until the end.
@grok, is this true?
Not enough irrelevant tangents.
Green skies are when I start to get nervous.
Sanders is such a fucking beauty.
