“Their project 2029 is going to be a rehash of all the consultant-driven, careful nonsense that has put them in this place… in a moment when the Republican Congress is passing one of the most devastating bills that we have seen in this country in forever,” he said.
Was project 2025 consultant-driven?
They’re not idiotic, they have to pretend to do something opposing the Republicans while they help them transfer all the wealth to the rich and start imperial wars around the world, otherwise normal people might catch on and do something about it.
This is it exactly. The Democrats are not on your side. They’re neoliberals. They believe in the freedom of money. They are a party for rich people. This isn’t a battle between left and right. It’s a battle between rich and poor.
Do you think people vote for the perfect party? No. Never have. You vote for the least worse. And understand that you chose from the bad options they gave you so the most good was possible.
All this bleating about how evil the Dems apparently are when they’ve been hamstrung so long, I just don’t care. It’s a two party system and they’re the least worse.
If a third party shows up, it has a chance of being good. But we all understand that under FPTP a third lefty party will only split the dem vote and hand a win to the GoP even when it’s fair.
People always say the Democrats are out of touch. While that is certainly true, that’s not the real issue here. The Democrats know perfectly well what they would have to do to defeat Trump. It’s blindingly obvious, after all. The point is they don’t want to do any of those things.
The Democrats know perfectly well what they would have to do to defeat Trump. It’s blindingly obvious, after all.
Is it? From a party whose voters want to go rightwards, now, wherein independents are already more right-leaning than that, and the only other major political coalition being even further right than that?
“Just go left, we’ll totally win 😊” is the same line that got people fired up for Corbyn, who proceeded to make no headway in a country already much less right-wing than the US.
Going left being better for the country does not equate to it being the path to electoral victory.
-Put conditions on any aid going to Israel.
-Arrest trump and his sycophants in Congress for their litany of heinous crimes against the American people.
-Force Biden not to run in 2024, have an actual primary and don’t put their thumb on the scale to nominate a corporate-owned bipartisan centrist.
I’m pretty pro-democrat, but they could have done all that shit in a day and locked in the next 8 years of federal elections.
Corbyn made no headway?
Yeah you can say that to suit your narrative, but it’s complete BS. In fact Corbyn had significantly more votes in 2017 and 2019 than Starmer in 2024.
The left has to convince voters, not follow them, wtf
“Want to go rightwards” - are you fucking high?
People want common sense approaches to social problems. The party stabbed Bernie Sanders twice in a row after shitting themselves because he was going to win the Democratic primary.
More people I know who voted for Trump like and respect Sanders more than any other Dem candidate in the last decade because he’s authentic and true to himself and his beliefs. They don’t think his proposed solutions are going to work, but they’re willing to have a conversation and meet in the middle. The all or nothing ideologues running the Dems right now have no fucking idea what they’re doing, they’re trashing the joint - whether by malice or idiocy is moot at this point. Get these people OUT
“Want to go rightwards” - are you fucking high?
No, I just have the misfortune of preferring unpleasant data over feel-good circlejerks about how we’re TOTALLY the silent majority, despite all evidence to the contrary.
People want common sense approaches to social problems.
You do realize this is the exact line that right-wingers say amongst themselves about why people REALLY want a far-right corporatocrat theocracy, right?
More people I know who voted for Trump like and respect Sanders more than any other Dem candidate in the last decade because he’s authentic and true to himself and his beliefs.
Unfortunately, that transfers approximately not-at-fucking-all to electoral success in swaying them to vote for anyone but the fascist ghouls, in the same way that Nazi voters always knew one “good Jew” or modern American right-wing voters always know one person who “deserves” public services or is a “good” member of the LGBT community who deserves their identity.
They’ll vote for the Holocaust all the same, but at least you’ll get an asspat out of it, right?
They don’t think his proposed solutions are going to work, but they’re willing to have a conversation and meet in the middle. The all or nothing ideologues running the Dem right now have no fucking idea what they’re doing, they’re trashing the joint - whether by malice or idiocy is moot at this point. Get these people OUT
“The REAL problem is that the current Dems aren’t willing to compromise and meet in the middle with the fascists!”
Lord.
And you say this is a LESS far-right solution?
Jesus Christ.
Well ACKSHULLY wanting common sense solutions is right wing coded!
Another 10 years of losses for you friend, gl. The vibe has been altered, these dipshit takes are going to deliver conservative rule for the next generation.
Well ACKSHULLY wanting common sense solutions is right wing coded!
Have you ever had a discussion with conservatives about what they think is ‘common sense’?
Have you ever paid attention to how often conservatives discuss ‘common sense’ solutions that appeal to people who want to think that their deeply politicized views aren’t political at all?
Do you know what ‘common sense’ is to fucking begin with?
Fuck’s sake. It’s like talking to someone who’s voted GOP for the past 50 years of their fucking life but insists that they’re a ‘moderate’.
Suppose you’re not going to answer about how Dems being ‘ideologues’ right now who won’t compromise, and how ‘meeting in the middle’ with fascist voters will totally be a less right-wing solution.
Or about the data explicitly proving you wrong. But I guess I must be high.
Just going to post another reply to you in this thread to let you know I agree with everything you’re saying.
The vibe of these people is the exact same vibes I get from right wing people elsewhere in the internet. They literally blame the same people for the similar reasons.
It’s eerie until I remember all the stats on American education. Anyone who talks with these levels of certainty are fools. Every time. Every one.
It’s partly that, but it’s also that doing what Democrats want never seems to get the turnout that it should.
Biden did student loan forgiveness, which should have given him all the college votes, yet people shurg and go “Well yea! About time!”
He puts money into infrastructures and unions and again, people go “I guess, it’s a bit better than Republicans!”
Democratic voters suck ass at rallying behind any cause, because the base is filled with “well actually…!” people, that demand 100% problem completion on day one, otherwise they are not impressed.
And even if he solved every problem ever, they’d say, “Well yea, he should fix them… He caused most of them!”
Meanwhile, Republican voters will literarily vote for a rapist because they see the bigger picture. For as stupid as they are, they understand you have to be IN POWER to do anything.
Twirling your thumb in your asshole pining about raising taxes and fist past the post and equality for all and protecting minorities is a colossal waste of time if you don’t VOTE.
The other thing I’ve noticed with Democrats (actually pretty much any group left of the Republicans) is that they’ll splinter off into a dozen different groups at the drop of a hat and all infight with each other harder than they’ll fight their actual opponents.
The hard right is so effective IMO because they’ll glom together with people they don’t 100% agree with to push things in the general direction they want before they start arguing about the details.
Eh. I get what you’re saying, but so much of the disillusionment from the potential dem base is coming from their constant promises and constantly arriving at the obvious conclusion decades late and then acting like they’re the most progressive politician in human history. While in reality it’s a half step toward the policies we should’ve enacted forty years ago.
It’s not that people are like “so what.” It’s the deep seeded knowledge in all of us that the party will try to throw us crumbs and claim like they’ve always been on our side and are the most righteous policy makers that are saving us, when in reality they’re walking hand in hand with people that are pushing us to absolute limit of barely acceptable and then dangling what they’ve known they should’ve done forever ago in front of us when we’re finally at our breaking point.
They don’t care about us. They’re not beholden to us, and it shows. They’re beholden to money and are performatively throwing us scraps when they have an opponent so far right that it’s literally the threat of fascism. And they are very much responsible for the continued rightward march of the entire country.
I think a big issue is people expect democrats to enact the thing’s they promise to enact and then they don’t. And there’s insane coping and denial used to justify it instead of allowing real critique.
Biden did student loan forgiveness,
Biden tried, no loans were forgiven, some loans were forced to be more ethical, but nobody was freed from the debt.
So that isn’t seen as a win by a lot of people who wanted loan forgiveness and got a half assed attempt that didn’t help.
Hell, he said he would forgive all student loans and make college free. Lol
He puts money into infrastructures and unions and again, people go “I guess, it’s a bit better than Republicans!”
Again, this isn’t really as true as I wish it was.
They put money into green energy corporations that hoard it offshore like other corps.
And Biden literally fought against unions while in office.
Democratic voters suck ass at rallying behind any cause, because the base is filled with “well actually…!” people, that demand 100% problem completion on day one, otherwise they are not impressed.
I try really really hard to not be contrarian about this shit, but Democrats aren’t making partial progress on anything, they are failing to make positive meaningful change for working class people at the expense of the rich, which is a requirement for fixing wealth inequality, which is the source of the vast majority of economic and societal issues. Until Democrats are willing to force their rich owners to make concessions they will not be capable of supporting these kinds of policies.
Also blaming voters for the outcome of an election is not valid, it’s up to politicians to provide something worth voting for and being capable of communicating those policies to their target voters.
Meanwhile, Republican voters will literarily vote for a rapist because they see the bigger picture.
Republicans vote for strongmen because their religious upbringing makes them subservient to anyone who can imitate the way their pastor made them feel.
Biden tried, no loans were forgiven, some loans were forced to be more ethical, but nobody was freed from the debt.
Factually untrue. My loans got forgiven.
Biden did student loan forgiveness, which should have given him all the college votes, yet people shurg and go “Well yea! About time!”
He dithered and only reluctantly did this. And then when he did, he did it in a way that a corrupt SCOTUS could overrule. There were other paths he could have taken, but he chose the least-confrontational approach and ultimately the court negated most of his efforts. His fault or not, very few people actually ended up getting their loans forgiven. If he failed to consider a hostile SCOTUS in his plans, then that is a strategic failure on his part.
He puts money into infrastructures and unions and again, people go “I guess, it’s a bit better than Republicans!”
His infrastructure bills are currently being torn to pieces as they were slow to actually spend their money. They were mired in everything bagel liberalism. A thousand requirements for dollar spent meant to solve every social ill under the Sun. But regardless, these bills didn’t directly help individuals. They may be necessary to curb the rise of China, but that’s not something that affects people’s lives directly. Unionization? Biden was unable to stem the decline in union numbers, and he himself chose to be a strikebreaker.
He dithered and only reluctantly did this. And then when he did, he did it in a way that a corrupt SCOTUS could overrule. There were other paths he could have taken, but he chose the least-confrontational approach and ultimately the court negated most of his efforts.
I’m gonna gut check this, because I remember him trying couple of times to work out student debt relief. Also, what other steps would you have taken to get student debt relief/forgiveness pushed though? The only step I can think of is after the “president is a king” SCOTUS ruling he could have just canceled them and told everyone to fuck off, but using those powers was clearly something that he didn’t morally agree with.
They left a lot of options on the table and then let the clock run out on them.
He picked the weakest method to start with, added many delays and means testing, then after being told no by Supreme Court just changed to going through the backlog of those who should have already been forgiven and called it him fulfilling his campaign promises.
Then on top of that allowed gop to force them to restart.
Exactly. And ultimately, voters don’t want to hear excuses. They don’t expect perfection, but they do expect some results. Republicans, even with limited majorities, always manage to achieve at least some of what they would call progress. Democrats OTOH just fine endless excuses. At some point, you’re either incompetent or admitting to your voters that you were lying to them - promising them something you would never be able to deliver.
Jon Stewart is not impressed with the Democratic Party’s plan to craft a Project 2029, which he said will just be a “a rehash of all the consultant driven, careful nonsense” that caused them to lose the presidency to Donald Trump.
It’s not the party doing this…
It’s the neoliberals that were run out of the DNC creating their own club and hoping progressives fall for the bait and fight to be included in a place they have no power and will be ignored.
Don’t take the bait. Let them hold their own meaningless meetings about what the least they can do would be.
Stewart was pretty specific about who/what he was complaining about, but articles are missing the details and all of them seem desperate to turn people off from the new and I proved DNC now that neoliberals don’t control it.
It’s the neoliberals that were run out of the DNC
Which Neolibs, specifically?
From the perspective of current power the Neoliberals are the DNC.
It is only some grassroots movements in the party that try to change that.They are just at the start and the DNC is fiercly fighting them.
This is the first I’ve heard of the neoliberals being driven out of the DNC and frankly I find it a bit hard to believe. Outside of the win in NY I haven’t heard of any other significant shakeups in the party, and frankly the number of politicians in the DNC you’d need to oust to dislodge the neoliberals makes me think I’d have heard something.
The DNC is definitively a neoliberal party. Obama was one of the most neoliberal presidents we have ever had, as far as social attitudes go. He massively carried water for the whole “if I made it, anyone can” and “black people suffer from a culture of poverty” type of nonsense, both of which serve an agenda that is against providing social safety nets and actually helping people improve their lives. Neoliberalism is all about blaming individuals for the failures of government as a means to avoid bolstering social services
“Neoliberals have been run out of the DNC” is absolutely nonsense. Neoliberals running the DNC is 99.9% of the problem with the DNC today. Its the reason why true progressive politics fail so often
Obama was one of the most neoliberal presidents we have ever had
Got ACA with medicaid expansion passed: neoliberal?
He massively carried water for the whole “if I made it, anyone can” and “black people suffer from a culture of poverty” type of nonsense,
Fuck’s sake, I see we don’t remember any of Obama’s actual presidency in exchange for some weird online circlejerk version.
Lol dude. If you think my perspective is not sound and that Obama isnt a classic neoliberal politician then you need to study his presidency yourself. The only one here confused about what actually went down is you.
Here, have an article to get you started
Literally the only thing remotely distant from neoliberalism that Obama ever accomplished was Obamacare, and even then that was just a half-assed version of actual progressive policy like single payer healthcare or medicare for all. And the reasoning behind why we never got real progressive policy when they pushed Obamacare is because the DNC is a neoliberal party in sheeps clothing. Just as Obama was. Read a thing or two before you say dumb shit online. The democrats had full control of the government, they could have revolutionized our country just as magats are doing now, instead they barely accomplished anything. They didnt because theyre a bunch of neoliberal fuckers. Its factual, not subjective
I wish Stewart would run for office.
I think if Stewart won the white house and made Colbert his press secretary, and he played the character from the Colbert report and just framed everything Stewart did as the most hardcore American Conservative stance and talked about how Republicans need to get on Stewart’s level, they could actually shift the Overton window.
I understand the urge but please stop electing people from TV.
In most cases I agree. Stewart is not a political neophyte though. I mean it’s not like he runs a reality show
His humour requires wit, understanding and nuance. His product is much more intelligent and complex than say, a competition show where people compete for a " job" with some thinly veiled gangster.
So basically he’s waaaaaaay over qualified to be president.
I listen to his podcast weekly. I haven’t listened to the one from the OP, but in the past year I have become very disillusioned with Stewart.
Every interview is an absolute softball “what’s your favorite color” BS where each and every answer is a boot that is slobbered on with “BAM”, and “BARS” and every misdirect and deflection by the guest is just accepted and the root of the few harder questions goes unanswered without protest outside of maybe the Christie interview.
The Jeffries interview was absolutely embarrassing, for example.
It’s very different from Stewart 15+ years ago.
Stewart is a milquetoast both-sides-er. He can criticize and he’s good at it, but he stands for very little and instantly retreats behind his “I’m just a comedian” shield when pressed to take a stance.
You’re confusing him. It’s not a big deal, he’s some guy and we’re just two people on the Internet, but he’s a left populist, not a “both-sides-er.” He’s fed up with institutional politics becoming ineffective, not with people being too “left.”
I’ve been watching him since the beginning too, I wouldn’t say that 10 years ago, but this is where he’s at right now.
John Oliver over Stewart any day.
Oliver is not qualified.
Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution sets three qualifications for holding the presidency. To serve as president, one must:
- be a natural-born citizen of the United States;
- be at least 35 years old;
- be a resident in the United States for at least 14 years.
