“To tell you honestly, I am a lot more hurt and upset by how Twitch handled it during and after the fact.”
Twitch was started by a bunch of prepubescent rodents. They have yet to grow up.
A lot of victim blaming in these comments, which I find pretty surprising on a platform that’s supposed to be crawling with leftists and socially liberal people
Lemmy is a shit show and all the mods are the ones who got bullied and banned from Reddit so they’re happy to become bullies here
This platform is def not “leftist”. Liberal for sure.
Lmao Jesus Christ. You know I mean “people who know better than to both-sides someone being assaulted”, sorry for trying to be succinct. Won’t make that mistake again, Private Pedantic 🫡
No true Scotsman.
Do please more hot tub streams and then go to twitching, yea do that.
Smells like incel in here
Assault is an unforgivable crime and thusly indefensible in any setting. What a fucking creep.
Furthermore, taking advantage of vulnerable people, (mostly lonely or too young to be fully developed) to fleece them for money by capturing them in an asymmetric parasocial relationship should also be a crime. These people only parasitise society and benefit from conpanies like Amazon or Twitch holding a de facto monopoly. They are part of the oligarchy.
Generally, Influencers, streamers and some youtubers (GN etc are notable exceptions) are parasitic entities that have no place in a civilized society. We’re rushing towards idiocracy at lightspeed.
Do you watch any twitch or streaming in general? It’s not all about boobs streamers and influencers. I don’t know about Emiru besides some entertaining clips but there are plenty of streamers who have a variety of entertaining content. You may not find it entertaining but a lot of young people do. Your view on streamers sounds very geriatric and antiquated. This is the next generation of decentralized entertainment. People have these kinds of para social psychotic relationships with traditional Hollywood entertainers as well.
No one is forcing people to give these streamers their money or forcing them to watch them. Infact, their decentralized nature, as opposed to Hollywood, makes so that they are exploring less people with how they get paid.
Stop being so antiquated. You make it sound like people don’t have agency over their own choices and what content they consume. Call out psychotic behavior but no reason to demonize people just because you don’t consume their content.
You lost me at
decentralized entertainment…
That’s so patently false it could have been an argument by the pedophile in chief.
I’m out to my antiquated life, cheers.
People pay streamers directly through subscriptions rather than through a cable company. In that sense it is absolutely decentralized.You can call Amazon/twitch involvement in it as a counterpoint to my decentralized point but if you compare it to traditional entertainment, it’s still far more decentralized. Twitch is not the only streaming platform now. They are still the biggest but there are a lot of successful streamers on YouTube and TikTok.
I can’t even watch anything on Twitch anymore. I used to watch moonmoon, gigaboots, cohhcarnage, northern lion, etc and I just stopped months ago. It’s not fun anymore. I might tune in to watch desert bus or AGDQ but that’s about it and that’s just for background noise when those events are happening.
But the site, overall, just isn’t the same. Maybe the content got worse or I just grew out of it.
Twitch has been running at a loss for years I think they are trying to turn it more profitable by cramming more ads into the space which is making the platform worse for sure.
I used to occasionally watch the all MXC channel. Brings me back to 2002.
You can just download MXC on your own. It’s free. Nobody is protecting the rights.
https://archive.org/search.php?query=subject%3A"most+extreme+elimination+challenge"
Host it yourself and you can loop it on your own TV 24/7.
You won’t even be affected when AWS goes down… again…
I’m basically down to just LoadingReadyRun and one other. Twitch is…something.
namedrop mich?
You cultivate these parasocial relationships with people online who pay you for them. Like.
You should be safe attending an event like this. And doing so doesn’t give anyone the right to you, to hurt you, or anything about you beyond what choose to share.
At the same time the entire streaming thing seems designed to prey upon lonely maladjusted weirdos, so while I’m not shocked that someone tried soemthing like this (I am shocked at how shitty the security was here), this isn’t super surprising.
The entire thing feels exploitative and gross for everyone involved, both the streamers and the people watching / paying them.
The entire thing feels exploitative and gross for everyone involved, both the streamers and the people watching / paying them.
Exploitation of others is the beating heart of capitalism.
No argument there.
? Watching people playing games in your spare time is “being exploited”? Do we have to play games to enjoy them?
I hate to break this to you but many people who watch female streamers are not there for the games, and many streamers encourage this parasocial behavior (I don’t think emiru really does, but I don’t really watch twitch anymore). Even for male streamers I’ll see people treating donators like they’re friends and being really encouraging (only when they donate a message though). If you are one of the people who just pops in and out and watches streamers who don’t do this, then you and that streamer are not who he is talking about.
At the same time the entire streaming thing seems designed to prey upon lonely maladjusted weirdos
So does a place like Hooters. They’re not specifically designed to prey on maladjusted weirdos. Their audience is older, lonely men. Not all lonely older men are maladjusted weirdos.
It’s “gross” to you because you think being single, older and a man is a red flag in and of itself. And saying it “exploits everybody” denies women agency, like opposing strip clubs or prostitution.
Don’t think the comparison is valid. While there will be creepers at hooters, they are more likely to already be social and accustomed to the norms. They’re out and about. Whereas there’s an undeniable mass of socially inept users that streaming specifically caters to. They have zero concepts of socially appropriate behaviour and interactions.
The older single man angle has nothing to do with it.
I don’t know if they’re accustomed to the norms more but Hooters starts as in person encounter. It’s already a very different dynamic from lurking online amongst hundreds watching a person knowing they can’t see you.
I want to add that the Hooters girl can very easily see when it has gone too far, and can call it off when they want to.
The people you’re talking about keep amping up their para social relationship until there is no literal way for them to not snap when they come back to reality When they realize how much money, and their literal lifespan being used.
The entire thing feels exploitative and gross for everyone involved, both the streamers and the people watching / paying them.
Couldn’t have said it better myself. I also don’t like what happened but I am also not surprised. Everyone made a choice and consequences happened.
She makes money exploiting these people, promoting their fantasies. It’s fucked from both sides.
Doesn’t she just stream herself playing video games?
So you’re 11 years old? She knows exactly why man boys are watching her and it’s not for her Fortnite techniques.
Well I read about some camgirls who found out they made more money acting like a gamrgurl. But I’m sure there’s plenty more girls who start out with the same ambition as their male counterparts. I imagine it’s super tough for them to balance on that slippery slope when it becomes your job to get as many subscribers and donations as possible. And even if they don’t choose to cater to them there’s going to be plenty of creeps, just like with ‘classic’ celebrities.
“See? She’s doing it again! She’s sexually harassing me!” – Beavis
I concur.
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Hey buddy, language rules are constructed after the fact to EXPLAIN a language, they aren’t set by the king of English to be followed.
People use “like” in real life just as they did here all the time, and people understand them. Therefore it’s language.
You’re the one that is wrong here both technically and morally.
You are the one who is dumb in this situation, not the people who have a slightly different dialect than you
I’m not your “buddy”, guy.
“Like.”, as a single word sentence, especially when written or typed, conveys nothing. Inferring something about what only the word “Like” is trying to say with that one word dilutes any meaning in what was previously stated.
People use “like” in real life just as they did here all the time, and people understand them. Therefore it’s language.
That’s my point. It’s language, yes, but used stupidly. People use “like” as a one-word sentence in real life and sound dumb when they do it. Same as “just saying”. Neither convey any further meaning or elucidation of a previous point.
You’re the one that is wrong here both technically and morally.
While language certainly evolves and I wouldn’t call myself the “King of English”, as you say, I am perfectly and “morally” within my rights to opine, loudly even, that the use of “like” as a one-word sentence is (once more, with feeling) stupid and meaningless.
In the words of Charles Bronson, “Take those pearls you’re clutchin’ and shove 'em up your ass.”
You are the one who is dumb in this situation, not the people who have a slightly different dialect than you
This is not a matter of “dialect”. It’s a matter of shitty usage of words that don’t literally, metaphorically, or allegorically mean anything, in context.
I’ve been called worse than “dumb”. Your opinion of what I am in this situation means precisely dick-cheese to me. I don’t know if you’re trying to change my mind, but if you want to call me “dumb”, knock yourself out.
When you get diagnosed with cancer, I hope your doctor, with all the vocal fry they can muster, says, “So you’re, like, gonna die. Like. Just saying.”
I said what I said and I, again, am happy to die on this hill.
Like.
In the words of Charles Bronson, “Take those pearls you’re clutchin’ and shove 'em up your ass.”
You don’t think getting upset over “Like.” is pearl clutching?
No.
Claiming that I’m “morally” wrong over my statement that “Like.” as a single-word sentence means nothing is “pearl clutching”.
LIKE. POCKET SAND. K-CH CH CH CHAWWWW
What?
Like.
Sure.
Just pointing out that one word sentences can, and do convey meaning. Often lots of meaning.
I glommed onto that like too, but ignored it and chose not to be a dickhead. Just saying.
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using header markdown to make your text enormous is far more obnoxious than saying like
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Are you incapable of inductive reasoning?
That is our word, you have, like, no right to use it
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I believe that’s the first honest thing you’ve said
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I guess it would have been more correct to write “Like-.” since that would make it clear that it was an unfinished idea. I interpreted it both as being too exasperated to finish the thought, or as leading into the following paragraph.
I’m not shocked by any of it. when you sleep with big companies like twitch or Microsoft or Google, expect to get treated like shit. you aren’t important to them, they don’t care about you. make them money and deal with your own problems.
time and time again, these companies clearly show how much they don’t care, yet people keep flocking to them.
stop trusting companies…
“To tell you honestly, I am a lot more hurt and upset by how Twitch handled it during and after the fact.”
Man, I hate how hard I relate to this. I’m so used to creepy guys that it often becomes part of the background noise of being in public. I remember the first time I went to a kink nightclub, I was startled by how infrequently I was randomly groped; being in such a consent aware space made me realise how many people in a regular nightclub will use the crowdedness as plausible deniability in trying to cop a feel. That stuff is honestly so prevalent that the individual instances hardly bother me anymore (though thinking about how often it happens and how powerless women are to stop it does get to me)
However, sometimes, something happens that goes beyond this, and makes me feel genuinely unsafe and violated. Often, it’s scary because it represents an escalation of harassment, such as a coworker who becomes increasingly invasive. There have been enough times where reporting harassment or an assault has gone ignored (or worse) that now when it happens, I feel desperately anxious in not knowing whether to report a thing.
Beyond the effect of the harassment on me, I feel that it’s my ethical duty to report things like this. It would obviously not be feasible to report everything that was sus, but some things cross the line and need to be reported. However, my greatest fear in reporting something is that it may reveal the organisation to be shitty. The betrayal hurts more than the harassment. Even if it’s a big company like Twitch, which you wouldn’t necessarily expect to be giving a fuck, there’s still the desperate hope that “the system” will respond to flagrant violations of codes of conduct (and also the law). It’s demoralising when those in power act like sexual harassment and sexual assault don’t have laws against them. This undermines the law, and makes it as though it isn’t even there.
Sorry that you, and other women, have experienced those things. I met my wife via online dating in 2015. She showed me some of the fucked up shit she had to put up with on one of the better dating sites; just in messages from dudes. Other women showed me the same or worse and it made sense why some women would reply to my messages with quick, short ‘not interested’ replies, likely expecting some sort of backlash from entitled dudes. I’m sure it’s only gotten worse out there with these self-proclaimed incels.
I don’t know how I would ever feel safe alone as a woman (being a cis male). Every time I watch a post-apocalyptic movie or show, I just know that being a woman in that world would mean an ever-present threat of rape and abuse to the nth degree, and even more hopeless for any sort of justice or security. The fact that so many women echo this experience now, in civilized society, doesn’t bode well for women in any societal collapse.
I’m a gay man afraid of gay bars because men think they can just touch you because you’re at bar drinking alcohol.
People that have weird sex are huge on consent.
Like. You don’t become a part of that community and stay in it without being super up front about all the implicit shit in other interactions.
Which may also have something to do with all the neurodivergent people involved in kink .
Emiru did a short stream going into additional details about the incident, as well as some other fuck-ups by Twitch staff that weren’t mentioned in this article.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_USuIpVAqAw
tl;dw: Emiru calls out Twitch for lying about the situation in their official statements, expresses concern for what sort of response a smaller streamer would’ve gotten if they were attacked like this, and draws attention to Twitch’s lack of security and professionalism. Twitch staffers originally laughed about the situation to Emiru’s face, and didn’t seem to care until the video went viral. They ran background checks on everybody who signed up for her meet-and-greet event, but the attendees were allowed to bring a plus-one with them, who did NOT have to get background checked. Twitch staff also allowed people to walk around even after their badges couldn’t scan properly.
Also, because this isn’t anywhere near the first time Emiru has been attacked in public, she points out that she’s spent tens of thousands of dollars for her own private security, and wasn’t even allowed to bring her preferred bodyguard with her because he’s permanently banned from Twitch events due to restraining a stalker during a previous event.
Twitch fucked up big time here.
Also, because this isn’t anywhere near the first time Emiru has been attacked in public, she points out that she’s spent tens of thousands of dollars for her own private security, and wasn’t even allowed to bring her preferred bodyguard with her because he’s permanently banned from Twitch events due to restraining a stalker during a previous event.
What the fuck? They banned her bodyguard for protecting her and then asked her to come back without him? It’s like they wanted her to get assaulted.
It seems like they need her at their event for credibility, but she doesn’t really need them. They fucked up by not recognizing this, and now they are going to lose her drawing power at future events. And all they had to do was protect a girl from known weirdos. Nice job, dickheads.
“Assault drama is great for algorithmic engagement” - Twitch prolly
In fairness we’re taking that comment as face value without knowing what level of violence “restraining a stalker” entailed.
From how she describes it in the video, he apparently held the stalker by the arm until police arrived. It doesn’t seem like he roughed the guy up or injured him at all. It really seems like Twitch applied the “no touching” rule to the wrong person.
Press x for doubt
A bit closer to he got a wee bit violent and a legal bruh ha ha ensued.
Were you going for “brouhaha”?
This is the second or third version of this story that I’ve heard in this comment chain and I’m having trouble searching for articles about the original incident, hits from the new one are flooding the results. Do you happen to have a link to more info?
There’s at least one individual inside the company that was involved in that decision. They should all have liability here, as individuals.
I feel crazy for even saying it, but yeah, that is exactly what it looks like to me. Like Twitch staff specifically wanted this to happen, as some sort of revenge against her for mistreating their fellow predators.
Exactly how I felt
Banned her bodyguard :: chefs kiss ::
Great job Twitch, real A+ quality work! Hope the entire company goes bankrupt.
Last I heard, it’s not exactly profitable, but it has Amazon money behind it, so that will take a while
Thanks for the additional context; I appreciate it. I was already feeling solidarity with Emiru, and I’m glad to learn more from her perspective
This is fucked. Fuck twitch.
What does this have to do with technology?
Everyone involved in this is not a good person (incl the streamer), but for the purposes of public safety, has anyone identified the individual that did it? Was he at least arrested? You don’t do something like this without being dangerously fucked in the head.
Twitch seems like a shit company that caters to shitty people. So none of this is a surprise
On brand for an Amazon property.
Twitch was shit long before Amazon bought them
Was it ever not shit?
Even more fitting, really.
On brand for much of the corporate world.
Out of all the tech ceos, Twitch CEO might be the most grounded in reality lol but yeah.
I mean it’s mostly teen to 20s gamers, who are not known for their empathy or socialisation skills. So yeah…
gonna be honest here but its kind of a miracle that no streamer has been whacked while being live by some freak.
I can imagine that this type of celebrity attracts the most unhinged obsessed fans with borderline personality disorder and/or other potentially dangerous and antisocial behaviors.
Certainly an environment that encourages a lot of people to just be nice to everyone in stream by default (except when someone is deemed acceptable to be yelled at and laughed at by everyone else for content…) and some people are lonely enough that they read a little too much into “HI [username]!”
dont talk about their fans like that!
30 day ban from twitch events
That’s not an excuse to assault somebody
Hold people accountable instead of blaming the victim
Who’s blaming the victim?
I’m blaming the one-way relationship celebrity culture. It seems like a breeding ground for people with serious social issues.
Pointing out who is likely to be a fan of hers isn’t “blaming the victim”. It’s being realistic about what she has to deal with. It shouldn’t happen, but bad people exist. Can’t ignore that.
You need to re-read that comment
attracts the most unhinged obsessed fans
Did we read the same message?
Let’s be a bit honest here, Emiru is literally a bland do-nothing person who cultivated her fan… I mean cult in a certain way to make it easier for her to fleece money off of desperate men.
No one’s denying it is assault & at the end of the day, the person will go to jail (& he deserves it), but this was a case of their toxic manipulative behaviour backfiring on them.
What you’ve just done here is called “victim-blaming”
I believe you skipped over the part where I said it was assault & as for victim-blaming, remember Amouranth’s case where it was revealed that she staged her “abuse”.
Yeah you’re too naive to be on the internet. 2 things can be right at the same time
Acknowledging it was assault is not the same thing as not blaming the victim. People who say “she deserved to get raped” are acknowledging that a victim was raped.
I’ve not looked into Amouranth. This thread is about Emiru. Who is not culpable - in any way - for her assault. This is not something “backfiring” on her.
she was asking for it
Are you hearing yourself right now?
That’s YOUR interpretation. The correct one is she doesn’t deserve it; but let’s not kid ourselves. If it was someone like Asmongold (who I don’t like) you’d be singing a very different tune
You make the women in your life uncomfortable.
Says the creep, who wants to be that one good man so that he can get in their pants. No ones denying the assault (Me included).
Holy based technology community keeping me up to date on streamer drama
Can’t wait for the article on Hasan shocking his dog.
It sounds like Twitch staff didn’t handle this well and Emiru is calling them out on it. Even though they claim the individual was dealt with immediately, it sounds like it took Emiru pushing for it for anything to happen and that they pressured her to do in person meet and greets when she felt uncomfortable about them. Curious beyond that how could Twitch as an organization make things safer for streamers like her.
If by dealt with immediately you mean they let him go and just gave him a 30 day ban initially, then yes. She had to talk to her manager who then talked to Twitch who then upped that ban to a permanent one. And I don’t even think the police has been involved yet.
Amazon wanted to brush this under the carpet…
I really miss the pre-amazon days of Twitch…screams reckless endangerment
