Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker and Philadelphia’s DA have warned troops they’ll face charges that Trump can’t save them from if they violate residents.
As Donald Trump floats expanding his authoritarian military crackdown to liberal-led cities beyond the nation’s capital, troops deployed to carry out his anti-democratic schemes might be at risk of prosecution themselves — and the pardon-happy president may not be able to save them.
Thus far, by my count, two Democrats in states that may find themselves targeted have vowed to spur local or state prosecutions — which couldn’t be overturned with a presidential pardon — for anyone who violate residents’ rights if and when the Trump administration expands its troop deployment.
Democrats should have imprisoned Trump between 2021 and 2025 after he committed literal insurrection. They have no bite. I won’t believe anything they say until I actually see it happen.
Tbf we’re talking Illinois democrats here, not national democrats. The latter have already proven themselves to be a new species of invertebrate, but the former haven’t and from his rhetoric there’s a nonzero chance Pritzker means business.
We’re also talking about random military members rather than anyone rich or powerful. I’d be willing to believe they could face prosecution
Yep. Let’s start making examples of the most powerless outreach of conservatism, since Taco and the cons in Congress seem to be beyond reach at the moment.
Standing back and just letting these people run roughshod over everything is only further emboldening Taco and the rest of the conservatives.
I want to see people in government standing up to these pieces of shit, even if they are only “doing their job”. FUCK THAT NOISE - if you are doing something illegal and immoral, YOU should be held to account as well.
Ever heard of spineless coward Erik Sorensen, who talks about how fucked up Trump is and then votes with Republicans on basically everything?
Biden’s biggest, and most enduring mistake was not ordering the arrest of Trump and his henchmen within minutes of his Inauguration. The entire criminal mob should have been detained in Gitmo as National Security threats, and undergone extensive interrogation regarding their nefarious dealings with Russia and others.
Sure, MAGA would have gone crazy, giving Biden the perfect excuse to put them down HARD, and then use their violence to declare them a violent terrorist hate group. In addition, any of their propagandists, from Fox News to Charlie Kirk and Hannity, would be rounded up for encouraging violence, this destroying the Conservative Propaganda Machine, and leaving the only coordinated messaging to the Democrats to justify the MAGA purge.
And don’t forget, at that point we didn’t know about his scheme to steal hundreds of classified documents yet. So while he was in custody, with the Biden administration saying that he was being investigated for treason, they would have discovered all those stolen documents, and EVERYONE in America would finally understand what traitors they are.
But instead, they did literally NOTHING. They ran a competent administration, which never once tried to promote their accomplishments, preferring to modestly let their successes speak for themselves, which was impossible in the wake of ferocious conservative propaganda.
Just weak, all the way around. Dems need to grow some balls. Dems show up to play middle school junior varsity softball, while MAGAs show up to the same playing field ready to play major league football.
Arresting trump would have started the civil war. And you can bet that basically the entire news media would range from “This breaks historic norms. Nixon got pardoned!” to “Hilary Clinton and Barack Hussein Obama are actively using the military to attack Republicans!”
I genuinely don’t know what the answer should have been. Yes, trump led a violent insurrection… that (pulling numbers out of my ass based on reading previous polls and studies) probably a third of the voting populace actually supported and a bit over half weren’t overly bothered by.
I have a LOT of problems with the Biden admin and agree that a major problem was the idea that doing a good job would make people like them but not doing the PR to explain why the IRA was so great (never get tired of that) and so forth. But the trump problem is a lot like our 9-11 response where… I genuinely can’t think of what the right answer would have been.
Of course the loser MAGAs would fight back, which would have been great. Shoot as many as possible in their riots, gather up the rest, along with the Jan6ers, execute their leaders, and toss all the rest in prison for decades.
And when the stolen documents scandal came to light, it would have proven to the world that they were genuine traitors, and it wasn’t just Democrat lies.
Sure, there would have been a lot of trouble, and a lot of clean-up, but now we’re going to have that anyway, and a lot more, IF we ever emerge from this nightmare. It would have been a lot easier in January 2021 than it’s going to be in January 2029.
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Look. We are all subject to it and I am not going to pretend I haven’t watched (the Scott and Stonebridge seasons of) Strike back closer to four times than not but… life is not an action movie.
Those magats who “fight back”? They aren’t going to only shoot at the cops and soldiers coming to arrest them. They are going to shoot at “purple haired trans people” (just with a lot more slurs). They are going to shoot up the schools that are teaching kids to use litter boxes and the libraries and daycares that dare to put fricking Miss Rachel on the TV. They are going to shoot at the people who have those “in this house we don’t discriminate” lawn signs and so forth.
And ACAB isn’t just a fun dance. We have seen, time and time again, police departments actively refuse to enforce Democratic/left-leaning laws they don’t approve of. The few attempts at gun control are a “great” example of this where cops actively refuse to enforce them and actively call for the removal of government officials (New Mexico had a big one of those two or three years back).
Life isn’t Call of Duty. Civil war is going to reach the suburbs. And it is going to be really really bad.
The scenario you’ve described sounds far superior to the reality we’re living in now due to Trump’s presidency. The things you’re talking about are happening already, but now with the complicity of the state. Trump in power is worse than his most extreme fanatics getting riled up.
I do fear we are going to see things go hot to some degree or another before 2028 (maybe even 2027…).
But it is the difference between guaranteed slaughter and hoping that people choose sanity. And, even more cynically, it is the difference between “expendable” groups (e.g. Trans folk) being slaughtered versus white middle class liberals. Which is obviously a long standing issue with Democrats (and most mainsteram left leaning political parties) but also aligns with the “Just let them start shooting and we’ll fight them back and fix everything” fantasies that are so common in these discussion spaces.
Life isn’t Call of Duty. Civil war is going to reach the suburbs. And it is going to be really really bad.
Would be a lot LESS bad if we had a sane administration running the government, though.
Arresting trump would have started the civil war.
Surely it would have been better to have had a Democrat in the white house when the civil war started than having trump there.
I like the idea. Democrats would have been 100% justified in doing exactly that, and as you say, use the bully pulpit to explain EXACTLY why they are right in doing this and how the right wing terrorists that say otherwise are enemies of the people.
Like Taco is doing now, the Democratic administration should have acted first, and then let the courts try to stop them later, AFTER Taco and pals were in Gitmo.
That’s not how the Constitution and our legal system is supposed to work. The DOJ and FBI are supposed to be independent and enforce the law in a non-partisan manner and a POTUS is not supposed to be able to tell them who to arrest or give the appearance of indicating who they should arrest. Trump of course doesn’t respect any of that, but Biden was doing it the way it’s supposed to be and has always been done, and expecting law enforcement agencies to do the investigations and make any arrests (they actually did arrest many people, but not the ringleader). Had Biden ordered trump’s arrest all hell would have broken loose socially and courts would have ordered his release.
So in reality Biden’s “biggest, most enduring mistake” was putting milquetoast Merrick Garland in charge of the DOJ. Garland was a namby-pamby little wimp who was so afraid of the appearance of partisanship that he piddled around and did nothing. The country waited around (because we had no power not to) saying hopefully, “he’s being very thorough so the case is sure to hold up in court” but in reality he was a useless piece of crap who didn’t do his job.
Just weak, all the way around. Dems need to grow some balls. Dems show up to play middle school junior varsity softball, while MAGAs show up to the same playing field ready to play major league football.
Dems never planned to fight hard. They don’t want to piss off their “real electorates”…
No, you see Trump learned his lesson. The lesson being that Democrats aren’t going to do shit so he can be as brazen as he wants.
Maybe we should have given Democrats one branch of government.
Maybe they should’ve tried harder to get any branch of government.
According to Serinus, of you expect the Democrats to earn votes instead of being entitled to them, you’re not American enough.
As we all know, expecting politicians to do as we voted them in for is a bad thing.
You spelled “executed” wrong.
I don’t support the death penalty, no matter how heinous the crime.
There was no hard evidence. He cleverly made sure of that.
They should start with whoever gave the order to murder 11 people off the coast of Venezuela. And then work their way down to everyone who chose to follow that order.
I don’t think that’s a state-level crime.
Yea, that was a war crime.
Is it a war crime? There’s no declared war. I think it’s just a regular murder in international waters. I think the boat was registered in Venezuela so they should bring charges against Trump and whoever fired the shot/missile that did it.
When a murder occurs on the high seas, the primary basis for legal authority is “flag state jurisdiction.” Under international law, a ship is governed by the laws of the country where it is registered, known as the flag state. Article 92 of UNCLOS establishes that a ship on the high seas is subject to the exclusive jurisdiction of its flag state. The vessel is treated as a piece of that nation’s territory.
Other legal principles can create overlapping jurisdictional claims. The “nationality principle” allows the country of which the alleged perpetrator is a citizen to assert jurisdiction, regardless of where the crime took place. This means a country may have laws allowing it to prosecute its nationals for serious crimes committed abroad.
Another basis for jurisdiction is the “passive personality principle,” which allows the victim’s country of citizenship to claim the right to prosecute. This principle was asserted by the United States following the 1985 hijacking of the Italian cruise ship Achille Lauro, where an American citizen was murdered. Even though the crime occurred on an Italian-flagged vessel, the U.S. asserted its right to prosecute the perpetrators.
War crimes also included deliberate attacks on citizens and property of neutral states, such as the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. As the attack on Pearl Harbor happened while the U.S. and Japan were at peace and without a just cause for self-defense, the attack was declared by the Tokyo Trials to go beyond justification of military necessity and therefore constituted a war crime.
Yeah it was a war crime. The US and Venezuela are at peace and there was no just cause for self defense.
Fair enough.
I appreciate you two talking this thru, as I didn’t know, but now understand a bit more.
Right, the earlier comment is well-meaning but makes no sense.
Rubio will be the scapegoat for that one
Open carry is illegal in IL.
“911? There’s people walking around with rifles.”
Do or do not. There is no “threaten”.
They have to commit the crimes before you can arrest them. He’s saying if you do get deployed in Chicago don’t fuck around or we’ll hold you accountable. Yeah, have to actually see follow through, but this is more of a warning shot
Pritzker should dispatch Illinois National Guard to shadow each out-of-state Guard member, 1:1, all with body cams streaming online
This is exactly what they should do.
It is among the things they should do.
They threaten to apply the law that’s supposed to be applied to everyone equally anyway?
I’m sure they’re shaking in their boots, if that’s a threat and not just… normality.
This is surely just a reminder that state law will still apply no matter what the orange idiot does. You can still use the reminder that normal laws will apply as a threat.
I get that things are concerning and stressful right now, but read the thing and think about it - they have to actually commit a criminal act to get arrested. He’s trying to head them off from doing it before it happens. The governor of California didn’t say something like this, but the governor of Illinois is saying it.
Good. If we cannot get the felon in chief, let’s start going after those that are carrying out his criminal activities.
Threaten yah that is all the Dems are good at.
They should.
Says the people currently NOT impeaching trump for abusing his power
Governors lack the ability to impeach the President.
Yeah, and so does the whole democratic party apparently
Correct, Republicans control Congress so the only way Trump could be impeached by Democrats is with Republican support.
We had too many idiotic and lazy voters and so Congress is run by conservatives. Too many people think the Democrats are “just as bad” and the conservatives and now here we are.
merrick garland was too weak or was told to be
which couldn’t be overturned with a presidential pardon
Rofl
When the tit for tat gets up & going, someone please do something a little more proactive than saying you aren’t welcome here and we are going to use the system you won’t recognize against you. Glad I brought some heavy duty summer fold out chairs. Let’s see what September brings. I miss the days when we despised people for their College & NFL preferences come football time.
That’s a wild way to write “democrats do fuck all”
