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Reminder that woke was originally used as a positive term.
Still is if you aren’t a twat
Nowadays I prefer the term “correct”.
I honestly don’t see people using “woke” positively these days.
That’s because most of us just call it what it is: empathy.
But they’re trying to make that a pejorative too now.
well… sure yeah. My point still stands about “woke” though.
Also a reminder that woke is used negatively by the same people who cannot tell the difference between badly photoshopped letters and a gang tattoo.
I think it’s wild that the word ‘woke’ entirely replaced the selective outrage on the 2010s over “CRT,” a bogyman that most white conservatives still cannot define.
My stupid ass: “why did the conservatives have an issue with Cathode Ray Tube TVs?”
Lol, yeah that was constantly the problem I had back then, especially since MAGA was using “CRT” as the scare word, and not nothing to mention that it means “Critical Race Theory,” a phrase well in-line with other subjects in other fields, like Biblical Critical Theory.
Because super smash brothers is woke
Fuck yeah it is.
See also: politically correct (PC) and social justice warrior (SJW)…all just fancy ways to call someone a commie pinko bleeding heart socialist. The Red Scare never really stopped, and neither did the Lavender Scare
That was depressing. I knew our president was dumb, but I still didn’t think he could be that dumb.
I struggle to understand how you guys in the US missed the signs. I mean… stuff like “they are eating the dogs” should sparkle some doubts, right?
Twas an obvious superimposition of letters to (likely) lie about the meaning of the tattoo, no?
Know MANY people saw:
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After seeing pixels over years I saw:
Obviously the fact that you & 66 others just in this thread, and hundreds or thousands online are upset about the superimposition, indicate it was stupid/dishonest. Sigh what else is new w/current admin!
No reminder needed for me, but for those who might want to do a deep dive:
I wince any time someone says something like “Wake up!”, “Take the red pill!” etc.
It invariably means “Start believing the shite I believe”
What’s amusing is that the Wikipedia article traces its origin back to the Republican Party.
Not really. It was just another fart sniffer word some groups liked to use.
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Whoa, fuck yeah Linus Torvalds
On top of all of that he used “I couldn’t care less” correctly.
Do people use that incorrectly a lot?
There’s a whole country of them.
I’m just impressed they used ‘couldn’t care less’ correctly.
english as a second language tend to be more careful with their usage of idioms
Man, fuck english idioms. Will never get over how “that’s shit” = bad but “that’s the shit” = good
Greater brevity: “Holy fuck!” Something bad happened. “Holy fuck!” Something awesome happened.
That’s quite the example.
“bollocks” = bad / nonsense / lies
“the bollocks” = the absolute best you can get
Yes, but sometimes they use them too much.
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The opposite of being woke is being asleep and oblivious to what’s going on. It’s crazy people say they aren’t woke and think that’s like a good thing lol.
It’s like saying “I’m a fucking idiot” and being smug about it
To be fair, “woke” as it’s widely known today originated as basically the left-wing counterpart to “redpilled”, with both just being two different words used by different groups of people to favorably describe themselves as ‘enlightened/privy to the real truth that most others aren’t’. It’s “woke” as in alert and aware of the truth, and “redpilled” similarly to how it is in the Matrix—becoming aware of the actual reality of things, taking the blinders off. Fundamentally, describing the exact same state of being.
So, I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that if you read someone having written:
The opposite of being redpilled is being oblivious to what’s going on. It’s crazy people say they aren’t redpilled and think that’s like a good thing lol. It’s like saying “I’m a fucking idiot” and being smug about it
You wouldn’t agree with them, even though the above is the exact same sentiment—the only difference is in what the content of said ‘higher truth’ that one who’s woke/redpilled has become ‘enlightened’ to, is.
It’s the exact same reason the demographic of people who are against abortion in the US don’t call themselves “anti-abortion”, but “pro-life”. Like the above, it’s a PR move. Would you accept a ‘pro-lifer’ telling you you’re “anti-life” if you oppose their view? That’s the kind of rhetorical maneuver you’re employing in your comment.
My point is, the self-labeled descriptor is not important, and all sides will obviously use a descriptor that sounds good and makes them sound favorable to describe themselves, so focusing on it is pointless, and just comes off as arrogance. Focus instead on the actual things that “woke” represents—it hits much harder imo to read something like, for example, “it’s crazy people say they’re against healthcare being a human right and think that’s like a good thing lol”, than what I quoted above.
a few problems with this comment:
- woke is net a left wing counterpart to “redpilled” it’s a term at least 160 years old
- anyone who claims to be woke is instantly not woke. you have to earn being called woke by an oppressed person. you can claim to be conscious to aspects of this system of oppression, but you cannot claim to be woke or conscious without instantly demonstrating yourself to be a performative ally
- your issue is not with whether or not being woke is good, your issue is with whether or not claiming to be woke is good, in which case, see point 2
- conservatives use redpilled wrong just like they use woke wrong. they just generally use any terms of consciousness wrong because fascism is a scam that promises progressive benefits through status quo, an obvious logical fallacy
your issue isn’t with “woke” your issue is with how conservatives use the word woke, literally the point of the OP
woke is net a left wing counterpart to “redpilled” it’s a term at least 160 years old
Okay, I know when it’s a waste of time to keep reading a comment. This is Advanced Bad Faith, lol.
i’m being for real. and that you deny real history and say real history is “bad faith” is terrifying. you’re being willfully unaware of what’s going on around here and declaring yourself to be superior in knowing what’s going on
“I’m a fucking idiot” That IS what I hear whenever a magat bleats.
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It’s easier too. You don’t gotta constantly be vigilant for the next way the woke industrial complex is trying to indoctrinate you. Because they won.
They go me already. We’re doing unisex bathrooms? Ok then. Eighty new variants of pride flag just dropped yesterday? Well there’s a lot of new colour combos I’ll forget in 30 seconds but alright. Pronouns can be wholly silent, like the P in Pterodactyl? I cannot comprehend how that works but sure it literally will never affect me in a negative way.
Petition to rename Twitter again, to Twatter. I know, I know, my intellect is frightening sometimes. /s
There are people who have not called it Twatter from day one? Huh…
It’s been Xitter (pronounced “Shitter”) since the rebranding
I will deadname that shit till the day I die! Or not, I honestly can’t be bothered to give a flying fuck, truth be told …
If you’re not woke your eyes are closed
Or just plain stupid
Or stuffed with wool.
Saying a person is woke is like saying they are not a mindless sheep going through life asleep at the wheel.
Yeah seriously I’ll never understand how it’s an insult. Conservatives call having empathy “woke” and I’m like “yes, yes it is woke. Your point?”.
it’s basically everything you need to know about them
But they call people on the left sheep? How can this be true? /s
You could choose to be neither.
Participating in culture wars manufactured to drive social-media-engagement isn’t obligatory.
Nope. One side are Nazis, dude. If you’re not opposed to fascism, got some bad news for you…
I guess the idea is that if you’re spending all your energy being anti-MAGA then you aren’t focussing on the real struggle (class warfare). But of course one can focus on class warfare while still being anti-MAGA.
I absolutely agree. And, the shit part of it all? It’s been going on for pretty much all of recorded history (class warfare, that is).
Edit: To clarify my position a little, I see choosing MAGA as willfully submitting to the parasitic “elites”.
tbh I kind of see both of the US parties as submitting to parasitic elites. I think MAGA is much worse for other reasons though.
Well, I agree. However, I do not think opposing MAGA in any way implies supporting Democrats.
“MAGAt” works, too, FWIW
what does the small t stand for?
just to lend MAGA the sound of “maggot”
oh. Eh, they didn’t need to change “woke” to make it a bad word, so I just use MAGA as-is derogatorily.
Bonus Points! That li’l “t” can be voiced with just breath alone as a “swallowed” or “glottal” fricative, (like the S. London “innit”, etc.) for added & effortless effect whenever thinking/reading “MAGA” — aloud or to yourself. It works every time.
Every single MAGA idiot = MAGAt. There are many, many kinds, colors, stripes, shapes, sizes, etc. They’re all maggots, though. And they might be known for devouring mountains of shit by the throatful, but they’ll eat you too without hesitation.
Secondly, though? Let’s do us all a favor and not use anything they do as a model of rational, much less good practices, hmm?
“They” didn’t change “woke” because “they” don’t change fuck all. Their minders tell them what to scream & froth over, and their psyops’ flipping of “woke” is to target anything that doesn’t come directly outta their Führder’s prolapsed Putin-holes. Full stop.
Cool fallacy & us-them/with-us-or-against-us bias, bro.
Do we need our reading checked? Choosing neither (as they wrote) doesn’t mean choosing fascism: it can still be opposed.
Oh boo hoo.
Have fun in your Nazi bar
Have fun reinforcing fallacies & calling everyone who calls them out a nazi to achieve that optimal circlejerk. Self-confirmation bias is quite a rush.
I have no idea what the hell you’re even on about, dude.
But, no, if you do not oppose fascism, then you damn well do enable it. Whether you likes this or not doesn’t change the fact that it’s true. So go whine about your your moral high ground or where the hell you’re on about as much as you want.
But since you are honestly sounding like you are attempting to defend fascism, I’m going to go ahead and permanently ignore your dumbass now…
I have no idea what the hell you’re even on about, dude.
That’s called illiteracy. Please learn to read & comprehend reading. Maybe look shit up or crack open a book or just look at the words written in the comments carefully: where did anyone claim to defend fascism?
Just another illiterate narcissist confirming why woke has a bad reputation.
Who’ve been the most successful opponents of fascists historically?
And who’ve lost their countries to fascists?
what are you saying? because it reads like you think nazis are anti-fascist which is WILDLY out of pocket so i’m sure you’re trying to say something else, it’s just not clear what
Who has historically defeated fascists?
I don’t think that’s a hard question to understand.
woke folk. but you’re out here saying being woke is neither good nor bad. so… what are you saying?
when did woke folk bayt Nazis?
nazi germany doesn’t get overthrown without resistance movements working tirelessly to fight for their rights back. french resistance, german resistance, italian anti-fascists, polish resistance, jewish resistance, and ukrainians who chose to liberate the concentration camps rather than make use of an opportunity to seek independence from moscow were all critical to allied victory in europe in 1945. and as is often the case in history, as soon as that was done, other oppressive forces such as stalin and the liberals of western europe sold out these freedom fighters installing a new world order of oppression. but we’ve continued working to get our liberation. you can discount our historical contributions all you want. it doesn’t change the fact that the world only gets better when people who know the world is fucked work to get it unfucked.
That’s a shit argument that casts aside billions of human beings and their rights as such. And your follow-up is even more trolly? Fuck off.
“Choosing to be neither” is choosing to be an ignorant twat but too afraid to own up to it.
👆This👆 is how they view the entire non-hegemonic wprld. They admit it.
Or, I understand that there’s no neutral position when the options are freedom or oppression. If you’re ok with oppression, you’re not a neutral observer, you’re a supporter of oppression.
If you’re ok with it, at least have the stones to admit it instead of pretending you’re neutral.
Doesn’t really apply to a flame war tho.
The right know they can’t win the economic argument. Everyone’s purchasing power is going down and living standards are stagnating.
That’s why they push the ‘woke’ stuff and divide the workers. It’s common sense. Why else would right-wing platforms like Google,Facebook,Newscorp be plastered with this “no neutral! You have to pick a side!” shite?
Doesn’t really apply to a flame war tho.
I’m not talking about flame wars, I’m talking about real world shit. You know, the shit that’s actually behind the behaviors they call ‘woke’ to try to get people to stop doing.
The right know they can’t win the economic argument. Everyone’s purchasing power is going down and living standards are stagnating
Yep, and they use the ‘woke’ shit to make people be ok with worsening conditions because wanting to be treated like a real person is ‘woke’
That’s why they push the ‘woke’ stuff and divide the workers
People push the ‘woke’ shit because it’s a thought terminating cliche that allows ignorant twats to not think about why they’re actually being awful to people or supporting people destroying innocent peoples’ lives
Why else would right-wing platforms like Google,Facebook,Newscorp be plastered with this “no neutral! You have to pick a side!” shite?
What? They push the ‘woke narrative’ bullshit, or actively support the oppressors. If anything, they take the neutral position so they don’t have to justify supporting oppression when they can pretend to be neutral.
What? They push the woke bullshit, or actively support the oppressors. If anything, they take the neutral position so they don’t have to justify supporting oppression when they can pretend to be neutral.
i was gonna say something to this effect. big tech firms aren’t pushing woke anything. they’re the most anti-woke shit out there. they want us isolated and divided so we never learn our true power as a populace. if this poster keeps drilling down this insane “woke people are just as ignorant as fascists” bullshit i’m going to block them because their entire argument hinges on assuming white usage of a Black term is correct when it is overtly and intentionally incorrect.
but what else would i expect from a
.mlposter. it’s always performative leftist outrage trying to shut down anti-authoritarian thought rather than contributing anything meaningful or useful.big tech firms aren’t pushing woke anything. they’re the most anti-woke shit out there.
Yeah, I was meaning more the ‘woke narrative’ shit. The tech firms are working hand in glove with conservatives to push the narratives that get ignorant twats all riled up about ‘wokeness’. I updated that part for clarity.
The same people also see being “progressive” as a bad thing. I swear, if they had they way, we still be amazed at the sight of fire while living in our caves.
Yeah but have you noticed how despite the fact that they normally hate progress and change because it makes their control harder, they’re utterly obsessed with AI.
This place is obsessed with Ai (LLMs) to be fair.
Just saw the recent south park episode- absolutely killed. Poor Cartman is nothing withoutout the woke 😢
So conservatives version of this is their deweaponization of the word nazi? Fuck this timeline.
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.” - Joseph Goebbels
The word Nazi was weaponised then overused against people who where not in fact Nazis. And now it no longer means anything. Congratulations you played yourself.
So that video the other day of that woman blaming the Jews for being holocausted weren’t nazis? And to ad this is a view I’ve witnessed firsthand from only conservatives.
That woman defiantly was a Nazi. But calling people who don’t believe what she does the same thing makes calling her a Nazi effectively meaningless.
Classic boy who cried wolf scenario. And now the real wolfs get away with saying fucked shit.
That would be because its conservatives who it is weaponised against. Who would expect that.
During the holocaust there were millions of Germans who were completely indifferent to the killing of the Jews. They were likely unconsciously ignoring the horrible shit that was happening and didn’t want to face reality because if they did acknowledge it they would be implicated or be shunned by their in group. Notice how their main concern was selfish in nature. This is how I see the landscape of modern day conservatism. There is little to no pushback from other conservatives against the horrible shit people are saying and doing.
So you can argue all you want whether or not the wilfully ignorant are nazis or not I don’t really care. And I am not surprised it’s meaningless to those who are indifferent. They have already chosen to ignore the horrible shit some conservatives are saying, why would they care what anyone else says.
I would say the mass outcry from conservatives at trump not releasing the Epstein files is the exact push back u refer to.
And this is why the left keep losing. The right are not ignorant of the shit the more extreme than themselves are doing they let it be because for the moment their goals are aligned. The left is too busy fighting with others on the left over what flavour of left they are and to what extent that they are. They end up completely sabotaging themselves fighting to be right instead of to win.
Then of cause u need to remember the only law that exists is violence and he who wields it wins. The conservatives have won the young men and the left are apathetic to their struggle. The left does not realise the threat they have created.
You have just proved my point. Conservatives will rather “win” than call each subgroup out on their disgusting behaviour. This isn’t a motley crew, it’s “decent” people mixed in with hateful dangerously ignorant people and there is an indifference that will bring in a new era that will be shameful if humans get beyond it.
Well u better get used to losing cos being right doesn’t mean jack shit in the face of overwhelming violence.
Nazi said what?
If their is anyone I would trust as an authority on how to convince people to be Nazis it would be gerbils.
Doing exactly as he suggests is a very poor idea.
I agree that wokeness is more enlightened than ignorance, but I also wonder how woke it is to scorn the less enlightened so hard.
I’m sure someone is somewhere grappling with that.
Since the politicians they support and voted in are actively dismantling the government, erecting a dictatorship, and enacting policies guaranteed to get people needlessly killed I don’t find myself burdened by such concerns.
The point isn’t to take sides with the sheep, it’s about self-awareness. Recognizing that hating ignorant people is just a different form of ignorance. We’re all burdened by or own ignorance even if we don’t know it.
I don’t hate them for their ignorance. I would actually stop short of saying I hate them at all. But the deep disdain I feel for them is for the hellscape they have dragged all of us into, and which will take decades to fix, if we fix it at all.
So yeah, I’m probably burdened by being ignorant of how that makes me just as bad as they are.
Considering I’ll die of old age still being harmed by what they have empowered and are currently cheering for, and will also die knowing my kids’ lives and the lives of everyone I care about will be worse because of it, I’m ok with that.
NO. They are assholes. I am NOTHING like Donny 2 Dolls’ cult followers. I stay out of other peoples lives. I feel that people like YOU just let them off the hook, and are part of the problem.
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Oh god… Imagine actually accepting tolerance.
I swear that “woke” is what these fucking troglodytes say when they know they’ve lost an argument. It’s like some sort of primal defense mechanism.
The anti woke crowd … hear that it is in someway anti racist
And dismiss it . They like their racism… It makes them feel important and powerful
Bully them into submission, racism and anti woke is not accepted, rather have peaceful people being themselves, than the people getting angry for people loving the same gender or trying to love themselves
Isn’t woke used ironically? People who are ‘woke’ are not woke, but ignorant.
When did we decide that the worst people in the world get to decide what words mean
It’s just how linguistics works I guess.
La la la lava
We didn’t. Woke has gotten a bad name from online activity that mostly consists of self-congratulatory behavior & discussions that primarily reinforce their existing beliefs without fostering genuine debate, critical self-reflection, or engagement with diverse perspectives. Dogmatic self-righteousness of those online voices can often seem more focused on mutual validation & alienating others (for personal validation) than on winning people over (changing their minds) to achieve real change. It gives an impression of phony, performative activism for self-gratification that may make progressivism & good causes look fake & insincere.
Some people are arguably woke (in the older sense) enough to acknowledge faults & critically reflect on them.
Being woke means being aware of the societal injustices in the world. The opposite of sleeping on something
“Stay woke” means “keep paying attention”
Which is why it’s hilarious when the right says they’re anti-woke. Like a child who thinks the monster goes away if they cover their eyes
I don’t recall seeing it used that way. What I have seen is:
Positive: being woke is being aware of social injustices
Negative: conservatives use it as a slur to mean anything positive that involves people who are not white men
Ironic: calling normal everyday things woke, like taking showers or wiping your ass
Isn’t woke used ironically?
Short answer: No.
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The term is a classic instance of “double speak”. Twenty years ago, the running joke was of Libertarians calling anyone who still supported the idea of a federal government “Sheeple” and insisting that they needed to “Wake Up!” and come around to Ron Paul and Ayn Rand’s point of view.
Ten years ago, “Woke” was a liberal term describing people who recognized the chronic threat of police brutality and state prosecutorial bias towards minorities.
Three years ago, the ultra-reactionary Houston pastor Ed Young launched a Church Awake campaign to counter what he believed was “Woke Culture” in the city.
The Atlantic’s columnist thinks it is when you are obsessed with policing language. The ABC’s columnists think it means being an educated black progressive. The Heritage Foundation thinks its when you manufacturer grevencies like checks notes the existence of slavery, I guess? The Kentucky AG thinks it means when transgender athletes are allowed to compete in high school sports.
What’s it supposed to mean? Everything and nothing. It’s a term of enlightenment and a pejorative seemingly both at once.
The meaning is actually pretty clear. Being “woke” means being aware of social injustice, specifically the systemic racism in US society. Being anti-woke simply means that you outwardly deny said systemic racism but in reality it means you’re condoning it.
Being “woke” means being aware of social injustice
From the left-liberal perspective, sure. But Libertarians and far-right theocrats have also employed the term as a positive self-descriptor, insisting that they had a more enlightened and historical view.
Being anti-woke simply means that you outwardly deny said systemic racism
Racists have employed the term to mean they blatantly reject the history put forward by liberal scholars. It’s a form of political denialism, not unlike climate change denial or holocaust denial.
The irony is in how reactionaries will embrace the term and its synonyms positively - Dark Enlightenment, Great Awakening, Objectivism, “Wake up Sheeple!” - to imply they’re the ones who truly understand the victims of state persecution (inevitably, rich white cis/straight men).
Everything and nothing.
It is in many ways a tribal signifier, and you’re going to get different stories about what a tribe is like from its members and from its enemies. It’s not that different from “Democrat” or “Republican” in that sense, although at least both Democrats and Republicans usually agree on who is a Democrat and who is a Republican.
