Whats with cunts sitting in the middle lanes?
“space on both sides”
Please keep to the right when you are able.
this is completely incorrect—stay in the middle lane if you’re going to be on the highway for a while. if there are 3 or more lanes, the right is generally for exiting, far left for passing and middle for general travel.
Wrong.
Several states have “stay in the right lane unless passing” laws.
Oooh, you’d suck driving in Europe.
Depends. If in the US the majority of states have “keep right except to pass” laws along with “failure to yield” laws. Some states do have exceptions for busy merging areas that say taking the center lane is acceptable for the duration.
So if someone is camping the center lane slower than prevailing traffic in that lane they are potentially violating two laws.
I don’t know where you are, so I write this for US people seeing as there seems to be a growing issue of people using the center of three lanes as a slow lane and it really fucks up the flow.
It depends on the country. In France for example, middle and left are for passing.
How is it supposed to be efficient to use an entire lane only for exiting?
Check the laws in your state. I doubt it says anything like “stay in the middle lane if you’re going to be in the highway for a while” or “middle is for general travel”, which means you’re probably the driver camping in the middle lane when you should be moving over.
It depends on the flow of traffic. The rightmost lane makes sense when there isn’t slow and frequent traffic in it and there isn’t someone going faster behind you, otherwise you are creating more traffic by constantly switching lanes and making everyone else deal with it. It also depends on whether the lanes are going to be bifurcated or have to deal with exits or entries.
At least where I am in the US, it’s generally good etiquette to be in the middle lane so cars can merge onto the highway easily.
Middle is for cruising with 3 or more lanes. Right lane if there are only 2
Middle, and the right if no middle available.
Oh this is one of my favorite stories
I lived kinda far outside of the city that I worked. I drove a 2001 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP, with the 2800 supercharged engine. My commute home often had traffic, and I was tryna get home asap. I found myself behind a car in the left lane, going the speed limit, and I was like manically desperate to get around her.
Finally I have the opportunity to pass, and I roar past her, glancing over to see an older woman in a headscarf, I assume Muslim, with a flip phone wedged between her headscarf and her ear, having a lively conversation with someone. I increase my speed until she is just a dot in the background.
I come to my exit, at the bottom of which is a stoplight, and I wait: white knuckled, sweating bullets, heaving and seething behind the wheel. A car pulls up next to me at the light and look who it is: the same woman, phone to her ear, talking to whoever, oblivious to my existence.
I considered her, then considered myself, and realized I was a fucking maniac likely doing harm to myself and god knows who else, and I didn’t get anywhere any faster than someone going the speed limit.
Then and there I decided to chill the fuck out about driving.
But I miss that car
I’m a school bus driver and I get tailgaters like this all the time. They don’t seem to grasp that I absolutely cannot see them at all when they’re that close, not in my mirrors nor even through the windows in the back door. It’s extra fun when they do it in a 15mph school zone and lay on the horn for good measure. Like yeah dude, I’m going to speed through a school zone in a fucking school bus so you can get to the red light up ahead five seconds sooner, thanks for letting me know.
Dude yesterday I was driving the few hundred feet between 2 school zones at about 8am and this car comes up behind me and honks at me for going 22ish and at first I go “huh yeah I suppose I should have my lights on it is kinda overcast out” and turned my lights on. Then I realized as they tailgated they were mad that I was going a couple mph under the limit. So when I reached the next school zone (which is actually setup for a park so no children present at 8am) I slowed all the way down to 15mph which really got them to lay on their horn. They then sped off from behind me into the high school when I turned onto the road the highschool is on. Like bro, if you’re that late to class the extra 30 seconds of commute time driving a bit slower isn’t going to make any difference, but your anger level absolutely will
Anyways folks need to calm down on the “gotta go fast” mentality. I’ve biked that same route, as in all manual hauling 100lbs of kids behind me. If it makes no noticable difference going 2-10mph (depending on hills) while biking it’s not going to make any difference at all whether you go 22mph or 27mph. And I find it wild that folks don’t play with that at all. Even when I had a 70 mile commute I tested it and found no noticable change in commute time whether I went exactly the speed limit or 5-8mph over the limit (speed of traffic) but I did see a noticable reduction in gas consumption by going a bit slower, as in an entire gallon of fuel each direction saved
I hope you slow down a little when they lay on the horn
Nah, I don’t want them thinking they’re influencing my actions in any way whatsoever.
I had a dude once tailgate me and honk at me for going 25 in a 35. I had just pulled out of a parking lot and was getting my bearings. It was a two-lane road. I was in the right lane. He finally went around me, and I gave him a dorky wave.
30 seconds later, he was in front of me at the next red light, so to be a dick, I honked at him.
Dude spent the next 10 minutes in front of me going like 10 miles per hour. I wasn’t in a hurry, so I thought I’d just let that play out. Later, when I switched lanes to avoid a turn-only, he switched immediately after. I realized that he intended to stay in front of me driving slowly presumably until I got home.
So I eventually faked him out and lost him.
Dude wasted 10 minutes of his life proving some kind of insane point. He had a young daughter in the back seat. I feel bad for her.
When I see or meet anyone on the road that does anything stupid … I avoid them like the plague.
I’m not sticking around to see if the other guy/gal is going to lose it and do something stupid that will either cause a minor accident … or kill someone.
This is the smart move. Don’t antagonize them, no matter how much they deserve it. It’s not worth the risk.
Tell me you’re from USA without telling me you’re from USA.
I kid, people have died from road rage in every country, just their car is dangerous enough.
Given that the US is extremely car-centric compared to other countries, it makes sense we’d have more road rage incidents!
Want to go so fast they’ll go slow for it.
That’s they get for driving on his road!
Yo US East Coast 95 drivers, this is you. Chill the eff out. - from someone who loves following traffic laws to see you pissed off everyday but hopes you don’t hurt yourself and others.
Conclusion after reading the comments: the country information is very relevant!! In Germany tailgating is forbidden, and is also driving in the middle lane. It is forbidden to pass using the right lane in highways. In USA I remember the recommendation was different, try to stay in your lane, they considered the constant change of lanes more dangerous than passing using the right lane.
Moral of the story: Don’t judge without the complete information.
Relevant point: Driving in the middle lane in Germany is allowed as long as there’s at least infrequent slower traffic on the right lane. There’s been a supreme court ruling on this.
I’m not German but the rule I always use there and in Czechia where I live is to vacate the left lane any time you can do it for a while or if there’s someone behind you.
It used to be the law that you should move to the right whenever possible. That restriction was eased to say that if there’s at least some traffic every once in a while on the right lane that you don’t have to move over, if you are on a 3-lane highway.
The reason for that easing was to reduce the danger that is created by frequent unnecessary lane changes.
Also depends a bit by state (in the USA), Georgia enacted a law that essentially made it illegal to be passed on the right, speeding or not, if you are slower than the car behind you they want you to be to the right (https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/title-40/chapter-6/article-9/section-40-6-184/).
Seems like Germany could save a lot of money by not building lanes that you’re not allowed to drive in!
True, though I’m pretty sure tailgating is forbidden almost everywhere.
In Germany tailgating is forbidden, and is also driving in the middle lane.
Truly an egalitarian society.
For those saying “Get out of the middle lane!” What if I don’t know the area and I’m trying to minimize the amount of suddenly needed lane changes I need to do to get into the correct one?
What if I’m driving a clunker and my transmission doesn’t handle constant speed changes well making staying on the on-ramp lane a little risky?
What if I’m already fucking going 9mph over the speed limit? Look motherfucker I’m risking being late to work too, but I’m not going 10+ I can’t afford a fucking ticket either and I’m not slowing down or dangerously constantly changing lanes because your rich ass can afford repeated speed tickets.
Yeah, people are trained by society to engage in negative dopamine loops. Like the dopamine we get when we hurt somebody we hate.
Same with people who are desperate for someone to be mad at on the internet.
It’s partially how the rich keep people isolated and individualistic.
What is it with people who stay in the middle lane whilst driving slow when there’s nobody of the right lane which is were the driving code says they’re suppose to be?
Depending on the road, this might be reasonable.
The right lane is often used for exiting or merging, so being in the middle lane is safer and allows others to use the right lane for this purpose more easily.
Frequently switching between right and middle lane because of the occasional slower/merging car only increases the chances of a collision, because switching lanes is more complicated than staying in one lane.
Staying in one lane all throughout the drive reduces cognitive load for the driver. This means they’re less distracted and can respond better to surprises or emergencies. (I’m assuming they’re not distracted by something else like using their phone, that’s a whole other topic)
In urban areas, the right lane is closer to parked cars, cyclists and pedestrians, making it inherently more dangerous to drive in.
So yeah, if the right lane is completely empty of cars and it’s not an urban area, they should use it. Otherwise, middle lane is probably the best choice.
The middle lane is an overtaking lane just like any other lanes toward the middle of the roadway (reverse that for the handful of countries that drive on the other side of the road). Every country I’ve sat for a drivers test in has had that as a very basic concept and the single country I’ve actually seen it followed had the best damn driving experience (German’s follow the rules and their roads are better for it).
I agree with you. The thing is, the overriding principle (and law) of driving is to be cautious. By my interpretation, all other laws can be bent if bending them is safer than strictly adhering to them. Hence my previous comment.
You thouched the core of the thing at the very end: basically how appropriate or not it is to ride in center lane when there’s plenty of room in the rightmost lane depends on how frequent exits and entrances are in the stretch of road you’re in as well as how those entrances and exits are setup (basically, how long is the merge lane), the speed you’re going at and the risk due to things on the side of the road.
I don’t think anybody is contesting not being on the right lane all the time in an avenue in the middle of a city where there are constant junctions with side streets.
That said your “cognitive load” theory is all about doing what’s best for yourself and fuck everybody else - if somebody is needlessly on the center lane when there’s plenty of room on the right lane and plenty of distance between entrances, then they’re just needlesslesy forcing others to endanger themselves by going into an even more dangerous lane, and doing because they lazy and selfish (because having to pay attention maybe once every couple of minutes to entrances or overtaking isn’t all that much cognitive load unless one is an actual moron in the scientific sense.
That’s the same logic used by people who don’t use direction indicators unless it’s helpful for them personally.
The optimal level of selfishness so that the road is as safe as possible for everybody is quite a bit below “whatever is less of a hassle for me”.
Thanks, I think we’re mostly in agreement.
Regarding the selfishness thing: first, I should clarify that I only meant that part assuming the right lane would occasionally have obstacles (other cars). If it’s totally free, there’s no reason to leave it.
I’m talking about when the choice is either constantly zigzagging between middle and right, or staying in the middle. In that case I think staying in the middle reduces cognitive load both for yourself and for other drivers. Less lane switches on the road, less chaos. It’s not as selfish as you make it out.
Also, each time you switch lanes you temporarily occupy both lanes at the same time, so if you zigzag you’re taking up more of the road, which is arguably more selfish.
Comparing to people who don’t indicate is not fair. They’re just idiots, even selfishness can’t explain it because they’re making it more likely that they’ll be in a crash. There is not a single sensible argument to not use turn signals.
they’re selfish and ignorant
Why does the guys in the middle lane have to be driving slow? The speed limit is usually 65 on highways by me, and if the fella is doing 75, can he not stay in the middle lane? If he is not getting off for a time, 75 in the middle lane seems reasonable? He could be doing 80 and this scenario can still happen.
You’ll have the guy in the truck come up behind you doing 90. Is the car really slow, at ten over the speed limit? Or is the car only slow once someone fast doing 90 shows up? Why must the barely rule abiding citizen, yeild to the blatant speeder?
The speed limit is usually 65 on highways by me, and if the fella is doing 75, can he not stay in the middle lane?
Traffic flows more smoothly when drivers keep to the right when possible, even if you’re speeding a little bit.
What BS. So everyone in right lane who goes slower then YOU. is the answer.
Everyone to the right, regardless of speed, unless actively passing is the answer.
If that were true there should be only two lanes per direction, and no use to the third lane.
I swear my drivers ed book said the right most lane is for entering/exiting the highway, middle lane is for cruising, and left lane for passing.
Y’all I cursed myself anyway, just drove the highway today, I don’t have to take it often these days, and no less then three times was a fella in the left lane doing 60mph. I get the gripe, I don’t understand the need to go 90. But that’s me and kind of irrelevant unless theres a left exit to take.
I think there are as many drivers who should get some patience for others, as there are folks who need to move tf over. Both are dangerous to other drivers.
The determining factor isn’t speed, it’s the availability of the right lane. If there aren’t any vehicles to your right, that’s where you belong.
I don’t care if I’m doing 90, if there is no one slower than me that I’ll catch up to in the next 20-30 seconds, I move right.
That’s terrifying for any car that now has to merge onto a highway starting at 90mph
Why would they have to do that? If they’re in front of me, I’ll move left to pass. If they’re behind me, they’re already behind me. Have you never driven on a highway before? This is pretty standard stuff.
If they merge in front of you and you were going 90 in the right lane because it was “empty”, you are personally trying to recreate a train by merging your cars together.
Choosing to go as fast as you want in the most unpredictable lane is bad driving even if you consider it standard bad practice.
So, I suppose I’ll have to move left, as I said. Or, if the left lane isn’t available I guess I’ll have to summon up the energy to lift my right foot a bit, accelerators can be in more than one position.
This is not a difficult concept. Allowing someone to merge is a perfectly normal thing. I don’t understand how you don’t understand this.
Reading your comments is like watching one of those commercials for some cheap gadget that “solves” a problem I can’t believe exists. You know the ones, where some hapless dweeb is struggling and fumbling to complete some simple task then looks at the camera and says “If only there was an easier way!” You can’t believe anyone would buy this thing, but then you think if people this stupid didn’t exist, neither would these commercials.
I guess what I’m saying is, assuming you’re not just being contrary or trying to justify your own shitty driving, if you really think simple highway tasks are this hard, then for your own sake, since you obviously don’t give a shit about anyone else, stick with surface streets and stay off the highway.
I’m not gonna live your fantasy, nor legitimize it.
Your insistence that I don’t see things your way when at the root level I disagree with it is not changing me. Nor your petty insistence that I am somehow incompetent for being safe and cautious about driving instead of… Self indulgent.
You share the highway with people that aren’t you. Get used to it.
If you’re speeding, you won’t be likely to see them in time to move over.
This depends on the country/state, the speed limit of the road, and possibly other local laws.
Broadly speaking, in the US on roads with speed limits at or above 55mph: the laws for many states require keeping right except to pass. [Generally] On roads under 55mph: there is no such rule but it’s not uncommon for people to think there is, probably due to confusion with the 55+ law, or perhaps there’s a different state or local law where they live.
99.9% of people don’t look up differing traffic laws before driving through multiple states, which is why most differences are posted with road signage.
EDIT: An obvious exception to the speed limit rule are interstate highways where the speed limit will drop in urban areas but still require to keep right except to pass.
On highways in town no such rule.
Probably irritated that they’re in the middle lane instead of keeping right except to pass. (or left except to pass in countries that drive on the left).
It’s an indicator that the center lane driver is not paying attention. I want to be far away from drivers that are not paying attention.
It could be, but I just think they think it’s OK to chill in the center lane. Everyone else is doing it, after all, never mind that everyone else is also causing traffic to be worse.
Edit: After returning and reading more comments, yeah, a lot of (likely) Americans think it’s OK to be a middle lane camper, even in more rural areas.
Another class of driver I want to be far away from
Absolutely
The California DMV handbook literally tells you to do that. If there’s three lanes, cruise in the middle lane. If there’s two lanes, cruise in the right lane. I don’t think it’s a requirement, but it is the official recommendation in California.
Interesting, that seems to me like it would encourage people to pass on the right. In my experience driving with 3 lanes the right lane is often bare and clear while the left lane is clogged and the middle lane is moderately busy which is, of course, the opposite of what it should be, generally. In cities, obviously, cruising in the middle lane can make more sense, as there’s much more merging on/off of the freeway.
I looked it up to see if they provide reasoning for it, and discovered that they’ve removed the language about where to cruise (at least I couldn’t easily find it) since I took the test years ago, but they’re kind of saying it between the lines:
Here are some tips for choosing a lane:
Use the left lane to pass or turn left. Use the right lane to enter or exit traffic or when you enter the road from a curb or shoulder.
Sidenote: In my experience, on/off ramps in California are ridiculously short, often with low visibility until you’re on it, so they’re kind of relying on the right lane not being all that crowded.
Yea, in cities it can make sense to cruise in the middle lane. Where there’s an exist every few miles, nah, keep to the right.
Passing on the right is also… Not that big a deal. The only thing that supposedly makes it worse than passing on the left is that supposedly people don’t check when moving right. Realistically, the people who don’t check when moving right are also mostly not checking when moving left.
Legally speaking it’s a big deal in some states. California discourages it at highway speeds, but doesn’t ban it.
Interesting, that is directly illegal afaik in many EU countries, where the rule is you must keep as far right as possible at all times. I.e use only left lanes when overtaking.
When did they change that? No wonder traffic is so fucked. That literally conflicts with the LAW that says ‘slower traffic keep right.’
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Why are you saying that the signs are bad? The signs above the road are pretty clear. Each arrow above the lane points to its destination. I can’t say much about the situation around Stockholm but personally I have never had any issues following directions on the highway.
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I am glad I don’t need to drive in Gothenburg as well then 😂 I agree that quite a few people here don’t know how to drive properly but compared to what I persons have experienced in other countries I would say that we are good drivers in general in Sweden.
Yeah, if I come up on someone in the middle lane when there’s clearly space in the right lane, I get pissed. I don’t even drive fast, so if I catch up to you, you really have no business being anywhere but the right lane.
Why are you in the middle lane than? What speed is ok to be there? Genuinely asking. People seem to make up own speeds and rules that are ok in each lane when the limit is the same…
Chances are I’m in the middle lane because I’m passing someone going slow in the right lane, as is its intended purpose.
If I merged onto the highway on the left, I have to eventually get right. I’ll move to the middle lane when it’s safe, but then 1-2 miles before my exit, I’ll move to the right lane (for right exits). But it’s unreasonable to expect drivers to crowd the far right lane all the time, making merging/exiting the highway more congested and dangerous just because I only drive 0-9 mph over the speed limit at the speed of traffic flow…
As long as you’re not impeding the flow of traffic that’s fine. Some people stay left or center and impede traffic because they want to make everyone go slower. My brother is one of those people.
I tell him he’s not the police and is actually being more dangerous than just getting the fuck out of the way.
Just like someone wants to go slower. Let others live and they can live or die with the consequences. Don’t inject yourself into a dangerous situation to prove a point.
Let others live and they can live or die with the consequences
Most of the time they will be bringing others with them in the “die with the consequences” phase. Speeding benefits nobody, not even the speeder (speeding doesn’t save any noticable amount of time at all)
My point is that if you are not in a police vehicle, You should focus on keeping yourself safe and get out of the way.
If I am going the posted limit and others feel like speeding, why is it my job to get out of the way? Whether it’s a country road with intermittent passing lanes or a multi lane highway with plenty of lanes to the left, that’s their choice to speed but I ain’t risking my license because some chucklefucks choose to be hostile to anyone they share the road with
Whether they feel like speeding or running red lights, they’re going to have to contend with other drivers who don’t feel like breaking the law, and they’ll have to choose to either abide by best driving practices or to continue to be careless
It’s entirely about your safety:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon_curve
In short, all else being equal, the safest speed to drive is as close to the median speed as you can estimate. The probably of an accident increases with the number of cars that you pass and the number of cars that pass you.
If course it’s not completely cut-and-dry like that, and is more applicable to higher traffic situations, but it’s a good general rule.
I’m not saying you HAVE to. But the safest thing you can do for yourself is get out of the way. Do you want to be right, or do you want to be safe? There’s a reason that it’s called defensive driving.
Whether or not specifically going out of your way to allow an aggressive driver past is definitely a matter of risk tolerance. Personally, when I’m on a 2 lane road (that’s one lane per direction of travel) I’ll typically simply set my cruise and not change my behavior other than slowing/moving right when it is a passing zone so that they can more easily and safely pass.
Where I live, the country roads are very lightly policed so some folks really test how fast they can go and maintain control of their vehicle on the curves and hills, many going 80+ on narrow 55mph roads with limited visibility and frequent deer, Amish buggies and farm equipment around blind curves. This practice works well for me here because it might prevent a fatal accident where some poor family was just trying to get to church and the speeder couldn’t see them in time, but more importantly I’m not disrupting my drive for other people’s insanity. I’ll continue to drive with my tolerance for breaking the law (which is extremely low), and other drivers can choose to drive at their tolerance level, and maybe the minor inconvenience of encountering vehicles that aren’t speeding excessively will help make the choice to speed excessively make less sense
Yeah. If I stayed in the right lane, every couple miles I’d need to change lanes to avoid an exit only, or free up space for entering traffic to merge. But that leaves one of not two open lanes to my left.
Also changing lanes is stressful for me: the situation changes quickly, and even after checking blind spots I’ve almost sideswiped someone a couple times. (Also honked to keep a pair of cars in front of me from picking the same moment to shift into each other.)
So, I get the principle, and I also am annoyed with slow traffic in the left lane. But if there’s room to pass on the left, that’s what I see as necessary.
But it’s unreasonable to expect drivers to crowd the far right lane all the time, making merging/exiting the highway more congested and dangerous just because I only drive 0-9 mph over the speed limit at the speed of traffic flow…
So what do you do when there are two lanes? Ride the left lane? No? But then how do people possibly merge? Huh, somehow it works. Shockingly, you can move to the other lane when someone needs to merge because, whoa you guessed it, the lane isn’t full of people going slower.
It’s not unreasonable, and there’s a reason why it’s the (sadly often unenforced) rule almost everywhere to keep right/left. Somehow it works in Germany where it is more heavily enforced. Oh, and guess what, it’s safer for everyone.
This is totally psychological (thinking it’s crowding the right lane and causing merge issues). You may not realize it, but you’re doing this just because you unconsciously feel more comfortable with more space (for yourself) on both sides. It’s called the “space cushion”. You might even tell yourself you are safer because you have more directions to escape to if a situation arises. Or you might just be lazy, as it’s a lot easier to sit in your cushy middle lane and not have to think about what you’re doing.
But you’re actually creating more problems by riding the middle lane, leading to people passing on both sides, doing more dangerous weaving maneuvers, reducing the optimal flow of traffic overall, and making the road less safe for everyone. And did you know you’re probably making merging worse? Yeah, the fact that you think you don’t have to change lanes to assist with people merging just because you’re in the middle lane means that you’re part of the problem. You still have to pay attention and be ready to move over, in case there is already someone in the right lane who needs to move over.
It’s pretty selfish to be honest. Stop being a lane hog.
It is the job of the person merging onto the freeway to find a safe place to merge. The person on the freeway is also able to move out of the right lane if they so desire, but they aren’t required to from what I understand.
All of that said, I see people being center lane campers all the time whether it be in the middle of a city, where it’s arguably fine, to rural but populated areas where it causes traffic, to the middle of nowhere, where it isn’t inconveniencing me, but is just weird.
But it’s entirely unreasonable and incredibly dangerous to expect someone on a freeway onramp to stop and wait for an opening. Drivers must leave enough room to allow a speed-appropriate merge in front of them.
When did I say stop and wait for an opening? Don’t stop on an on-ramp.
It is the job of the person merging onto the freeway to find a safe place to merge. The person on the freeway is also able to move out of the right lane if they so desire, but they aren’t required to from what I understand
Part of merging is to let the vehicles merging safely merge. That might mean slowing down a bit, speeding up a bit for a moment or moving a lane over. The only time when doing nothing for a merging vehicle is okay is when there’s literally nothing you can do due to the quantity of traffic
People often forget, this is only on highways/motorways. On surface streets (recognizable by their lack of entry/exit ramps/infrastructure and same level intersections) left lanes are for those expecting to turn left next, right lanes are for those expecting to turn right next, and middle lanes are for those who will be going straight past the next intersection, with some variance expected on occasion.
Surface streets
3 lanes
You don’t need to tell me where you live.
Its sadly not only an America problem. Its not uncommon here in China to see 3 lanes each way, a seperated motorbike lane that’s like 10 feet wide, a seperated bus/bicycle/car parking lane, 5 feet of bike parking, and then 15 feet of sidewalk.
And somehow cars still drive on the sidewalks.
Stroads.
Which country do you think this picture got taken in? Hint: It’s not America, China or Dubai
Probably some parade street in North Korea.
It’s Myanmar
Based on the overall frequency of people from Southeast Asia vs. the US on Lemmy, my guess is still going to be “US” when people tell me about 3+ lanes on municipal roads, even though I am of course aware that such roads exist in other countries (including my own).
I would have said Philippines but the avalanche of cars is missing. So I’ll guess Myanmar?
Edit: Lol, I still had this post open from this morning and just saw that you already gave the answer
Where do they live?
Sonetimes that’s the turning lane. It doesn’t make much sense to bop in and out of that one. If it is a regular lane and additional turning lanes are to the right of that then sure
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This is the 4th time you’ve commented this, something isn’t going right on your instance (or my instance), I thought I left this bug behind when I left reddit haha.
On my connection or app, I think.
Somethin’ like that
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That’s a lot of lane.
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One thing I don’t like about NY, there isn’t a stay-right law. It’s actually a “use any open lane” law. Crazy.
Plus all the Stroads.
Yes they do. Most People who have rage won’t admit part of them likes it. A small feeling of power. No matter how infantile. They love it.
As self destructive as it is.
I’m convinced regular driving is not good for our brains. I am lucky to live without a car and I am a really relaxed person but it takes about a day driving before I start getting angry at other drivers again.
I’m a Gearhead and I love driving, but don’t entirely disagree tbh. It’s probably more of a “doing something you dislike but must do to function” type of thing. Driving is akin to working a dead end office job for a lot of people. Hell, even I dislike driving in any medium-large sized town/city.
Me too honestly. I love cars and driving but hate commuting and traffic and finding parking spots - all the frustrations that come when you have to rely on it to live instead of just enjoy it.
If that ain’t the truth! I miss having a half decent public transit option.
Public transport is the answer. But if that’s not an option, a tip someone gave me once was to imagine all other drivers as toddlers. Its kind of a compassion hack. Or elderly on medication.
Imagine that all other drivers are late for something super important, stressed, and lost.
Assume all drivers are idiots until proven otherwise.
This is also a good safety practice for pedestrians (maybe even more than for drivers since when a car collides with a pedestrian they’re more likely to die).
In practice most drivers are not idiots but the defensive practices of going around assuming they are definitelly pay up when you do face and idiot driver and avoid a collision (or, as a pedestrian, getting run over) because your level of being careful was the right one for being faced with an idiot driver.
Switching to a walking commute is one of the best things I ever did in terms of stress reduction.
As it so happens walking at least half an hour a day is also good for your cardio-vascular system (according to a study that came out some years ago, it reduces the chance of cardio-vascular problems by 70%)
I concur.
One only has to look at how many people make cars their entire personality to see why building society around car-centric design is wrong.
Funny how this comic is about idiots cruising in the middle lane, when there’s space on the right lane while most commenters don’t get it and get upset about the tailgating driver (not saying tailgating was right, though). This comic is about you middle-lane-snails. Hate to tell you, but YOU are the problem here.
Every driver is an idiot but me.
In germany its illegal to block the midlane, when the right lane is free. So at least here the midlaneblocking dude is the problem
In Germany it is legal to drive in the middle lane if there’s at least infrequent slower traffic on the right. There’s a supreme court ruling on that.
The supreme court has no power here and its stil illegal: https://www.adac.de/verkehr/recht/verkehrsvorschriften-deutschland/rechtsfahrgebot/ u can translate this site, its the biggest carclub in Germany
Peinlich, wenn man einen Link postet, der die eigene Position wiederlegt:
Auf drei- oder mehrspurigen Straßen muss man rechts fahren. Autofahrende dürfen bei einer dreispurigen Straße den mittleren Fahrstreifen allerdings dann durchgängig befahren, wenn rechts davon hin und wieder Fahrzeuge unterwegs sind. Die ADAC Verkehrsexperten erläutern: “Diese Lockerung des Rechtsfahrgebots soll die Zahl der gefährlichen Spurwechsel und ein Fahren in Schlangenlinien vermeiden.”
Aber hauptsach nicht verstehen, dass “Supreme Court” einfach nur “Oberstes Gericht” bedeutet und es solche auch in Deutschland gibt.
Einfach zum Fremdschämen, dein Kommentar.
So that English speakers can understand what happened here:
@[email protected] posted a link that verified what I said, claiming that it disproved what I said, because apparently posting links without reading the content is cool.
Also, they didn’t know what “supreme court” meant and thought that only existed in the USA.
Well do are not able to translate sipreme curt correctly and u oversee on purpose what the article says. Its not nessasary when u have to drive “snake lines” so its common sense not driving at hogh risk. It contains also, that u have to leave a certain distance witch is not possible in that case. If there is enough space u have to drive to the right lane.
And ur wording shows what kind of person u are so i dont give a fuck for what u feel shame.
Ok, noch mal zum Mitschreiben:
Ich hab geschrieben: “In Germany it is legal to drive in the middle lane if there’s at least infrequent slower traffic on the right.”
Der ADAC hat geschrieben: “Autofahrende dürfen bei einer dreispurigen Straße den mittleren Fahrstreifen allerdings dann durchgängig befahren, wenn rechts davon hin und wieder Fahrzeuge unterwegs sind.”
Das ist eins zu eins das Gleiche.
Hast du’s jetzt verstanden?
This is the case in most, if not all of Europe.
Yes, he’s an idiot.
Exactly. Here, either you learn how to use the lanes correctly, or you die.
Does Germany have laws about trucks taking over?
Where I live, trucks commonly mix between the 2-3 slowest lanes, passing each other at the same speed they’re limited to. It really makes no sense to me to keep changing lanes to avoid them, and it drives me crazy.
I set my car to drive the limit and just stay in the middle lane, which produces much less traffic than winding around. If you’re passing me on the fast lane, you’re likely breaking the law./* In the context of the comic, blocking mid lane when sides are empty is wrong, I agree. I just like to rant
Yes we have, the truck have to pass in like 12 seconds or under. But that doesnt really work. They are like 1km/h faster and try passing anyway
But there are also many autobahn kilometers where trucks aren’t allowed to pass other trucks or cars.
It gets ugly if someone decides he wants to travel less than 90km/h because truck drivers are always late and always have to drive the maximum allowed speed or their truck will explode.
Overloaded trucks on steep hills also a problem; They are underpowered and thus drive like half the speed they could.
I think the biggest issue with blocking the middle lane in Germany is, that many people can’t pass someone in the middle lane because the left lane is too fast for them or at least you always have to suspect someone flying in with like 300km/h
Oh the left lane is war. Even if u travel with like 220km/h there is someone with flashing lights behind u who wants to pass. But there are not much autobahn kilometers were u are allowed to drive that fast. Its almost everywere under construction.
I think in the usa for example u are allowed to pass on the right, in Germany u have to pass on the left and arent allowed to pass on the right. So in my opinion the biggest problem are people who drive always on the most left lane and stay slow. Another big problem is the unlimited speed, people arent good in breaking on a good level. So they are the reason for traffic jam. There is a physicaly law witch explains that. I just know the german name and tried to translate it, but im not sure if thats the correct term. Retarded motion? In germany its “gleichmässig verzögerte Beschleunigung”
middle-lane-snails. Hate to tell you, but YOU are the problem here.
This will vary wildly by jurisdiction, road design and specific circumstances. Is the right lane an exit lane only? Is the right lane currently occupied by a stopped/disabled vehicle on the shoulder? Are there parked cars, cyclists and/or pedestrians near the right lane making the middle lane safer for you to occupy? Are there other road conditions that currently make the right lane less safe to drive on, such as better snow plowing in the left lanes?
Honestly the bigger problem is this insistance on going fast. Going 5-10mph faster or slower will make no noticable difference in your driving time because of all of the time you will spend slowing, stopping and speeding up. I should know, I’ve biked and driven the same city routes and confirmed no realistic difference in commute time, and I’ve driven hour+ long highway commutes and tested this. The only thing going faster does is increase fuel consumption noticably (an extra gallon or more per hour was what my experiments found) and increase the risk of a ticket and/or a severe traffic collision
Speeding is bad for you, bad for the environment and bad for other drivers. Literally nobody benefits from it, not even the speeders
It seems like road rage is the problem here, but okay lol
