Seeing the state that so called communists go all-in on has got me questioning my own faith in communism to ever not be… Like that. Like holy DAMN you really to be simping for power in weird ass situations.
Eh, it wasn’t worth it. I don’t know why I thought I should pile on. I’m not going to be the guy who makes him think Muslims might have gotten genocided and that it’s okay to call our respective leaders donkey-brained genociders.
And there’s a whooooooooooooooooooooooooooole loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooot of policies that I would pick to excoriate Chinese leadership over, believe me!
It’s just that they’re, you know, real ones. Not made up shit like “social credit points”.
You haven’t seen the state, you’ve seen silly stories western media comes up with. Occasionally those stories are supported by facts taken wildly out of context to the point of being deceptive, other times they’re fabricated from whole cloth.
China isn’t some kind of utopia, but it is a model of good, responsive governance. It’s actually difficult to make any general statements as it’s massive, and there’s a high degree of local control, so the same problem will be tackled a dozen, sometimes contradictory(eg, expanding public transit while inducing greater demand for cars) different ways, with varying levels of efficacy. Sometimes the inferior solutions are quietly replaced by more the ones proven more effective, other times
spoiler
they build like 10 toilets with TVs, heated seats, attendants, etc for people to show on xhs or whatever and say the problem is solved, and then the rest of the city’s public toilets are the same 3 squat, 1 pedastool, with a basket of shitty toilet paper next to each, that you can smell from a block away.
And yet I can buy ghost stories and time travel stories (Hyperion and Endymion heavily involve time travel) in any decent bookstore here.
Mysterious how that works. It’s almost as if you’re making shit up or taking highly-localized happenings and claiming it’s country-wide. Which would be about as honest as me taking the Brown University shooting and claiming it represented the USA as a whole.
Which would be about as honest as me taking the Brown University shooting and claiming it represented the USA as a whole.
Did you expect me to get defensive about this? That does represent the US as a whole. It might be too much for you to comprehend, but I can criticize more than one country at a time.
And yes, I fully believe you can buy stories where there was “time travel” that turned out to be all just a dream or where it was actually part of an in-universe fictional story, but everyone’s heard about Back to the Future being banned for having actual time travel in it.
Did you have to use a VPN to access Lemmy, by the way, or is it too small for the Great Firewall to know or care about?
And yes, I fully believe you can buy stories where there was “time travel” that turned out to be all just a dream or where it was actually part of an in-universe fictional story, but everyone’s heard about Back to the Future being banned for having actual time travel in it.
P.S. “Everyone’s heard” a whole bunch of bullshit about China. Like the complete and utter bullshit of “social credit points”. Let’s use some evidence-based research instead, m’kay?
Taobao, the world’s largest digital souk, is China’s favourite place to buy shit. (It’s my favourite place to buy shit too. There’s nothing like it anywhere in the world. I’ve seen a jetliner for sale on Taobao. Or a nest of live Asian giant hornets.)
Oh, and here’s Ghostbusters on sale. But ghosts are banned in China! HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE!? How? Easy. They’re not banned. That second link is a ghost story (Silk) from 2006. (There’s a 2022 movie (The Curse) whose title is a single character (咒) that is also used in a lot of Taobao Buddhist content. I can’t be arsed to go finding that one movie among all the Buddhist stuff so you’ll just have to believe that it’s there. Or not. It doesn’t really fucking matter since I already proved twice over that ghost stories aren’t banned.)
Seems what “everyone’s heard” is utter bullshit.
Is there anything else you’d like to incorrect me on?
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This is tangentially related but not intended as an argument or anything. I’m just curious if you have any insight into why skulls get censored in China. I’d rather hear from someone living there than wade through AI slop and propaganda/misinfo.
I can get the Skull card game from a hundred different places on Taobao. I have skull and skeleton enamel pins I bought from Taobao. (Some of them verge on the pornographic. The pornographic parts are censored.) I have skull-shaped bead bracelets and a skull-shaped keychain. None of them were censored when I bought them.
Here’s a Taobao search on skulls. If the search link doesn’t work, there’s a screenshot behind the spoiler.
Neat! I remember… I think it was World of Warcraft? I thought had to censor skulls/skeletons before releasing there. But if that wasn’t the case then I’m happy to be informed!
Did you really stop reading at that sentence so you could leap in and make a point I MADE IMMEDIATELY AFTER IT!?
I’m going to assume you were “educated” (for want of a better term) in the USA from this.
Did you have to use a VPN to access Lemmy, by the way, or is it too small for the Great Firewall to know or care about?
When I was using a big Lemmy instance I needed a VPN, yes. This one is just far enough under the radar to not really need it. (Same thing with one of my Mastodon accounts and my Pixelfed account.)
So you really think it’s okay that your country blocks you from visiting foreign websites? Like, I’m perfectly happy to criticize all the dumb shit that’s wrong with the United States. Our government is a pile of shit. But you need a VPN to use ordinary websites, and you still think China’s laws are “good”?
It’s not my fucking country. Just like your country isn’t my fucking country. I live in it. There’s a decided difference.
And you know what? Given the choice between living in a country where the only response to more-than-daily mass shootings and regular school shootings is “thoughts and prayers” and a country that stops me from seeing some web sites outside of their borders unless I use technological trickery …
… Well, the latter, while certainly not ideal, is MOTHERFUCKING ENDLESSLY BETTER, yes. (It’s why I live here and not in the shithole you come from.) Thank you for asking.
I never said the US was better than China, but you sure seem determined to think that only one of them can be bad, so I don’t see any point in continuing this.
Not the guy you’re responding to, but hexbear and .ml are the only blocked instances, feddit blocks all of Asia I think because I couldn’t load its images in vietnam either.
Seeing the state that so called communists go all-in on has got me questioning my own faith in communism to ever not be… Like that. Like holy DAMN you really to be simping for power in weird ass situations.
Wait did the bear write this?
his total inability to comprehend what you wrote is astounding. 😆
Eh, it wasn’t worth it. I don’t know why I thought I should pile on. I’m not going to be the guy who makes him think Muslims might have gotten genocided and that it’s okay to call our respective leaders donkey-brained genociders.
Bro I am in Urumqi right now, if there was a genocide going on, some of the friends I made would have told me about it.
I can criticize China’s leaders for actual policies, not imaginary shit.
And there’s a whooooooooooooooooooooooooooole loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooot of policies that I would pick to excoriate Chinese leadership over, believe me!
It’s just that they’re, you know, real ones. Not made up shit like “social credit points”.
You haven’t seen the state, you’ve seen silly stories western media comes up with. Occasionally those stories are supported by facts taken wildly out of context to the point of being deceptive, other times they’re fabricated from whole cloth.
China isn’t some kind of utopia, but it is a model of good, responsive governance. It’s actually difficult to make any general statements as it’s massive, and there’s a high degree of local control, so the same problem will be tackled a dozen, sometimes contradictory(eg, expanding public transit while inducing greater demand for cars) different ways, with varying levels of efficacy. Sometimes the inferior solutions are quietly replaced by more the ones proven more effective, other times
spoiler
they build like 10 toilets with TVs, heated seats, attendants, etc for people to show on xhs or whatever and say the problem is solved, and then the rest of the city’s public toilets are the same 3 squat, 1 pedastool, with a basket of shitty toilet paper next to each, that you can smell from a block away.
Well a bear wrote it.
They disappear people for writing erotica. Ghosts and time travel are banned in fiction. What’s good about this?
Anything’s possible when you make shit up
And yet I can buy ghost stories and time travel stories (Hyperion and Endymion heavily involve time travel) in any decent bookstore here.
Mysterious how that works. It’s almost as if you’re making shit up or taking highly-localized happenings and claiming it’s country-wide. Which would be about as honest as me taking the Brown University shooting and claiming it represented the USA as a whole.
No, wait. That’s probably a bad example.
Did you expect me to get defensive about this? That does represent the US as a whole. It might be too much for you to comprehend, but I can criticize more than one country at a time.
And yes, I fully believe you can buy stories where there was “time travel” that turned out to be all just a dream or where it was actually part of an in-universe fictional story, but everyone’s heard about Back to the Future being banned for having actual time travel in it.
Did you have to use a VPN to access Lemmy, by the way, or is it too small for the Great Firewall to know or care about?
P.S. “Everyone’s heard” a whole bunch of bullshit about China. Like the complete and utter bullshit of “social credit points”. Let’s use some evidence-based research instead, m’kay?
Taobao, the world’s largest digital souk, is China’s favourite place to buy shit. (It’s my favourite place to buy shit too. There’s nothing like it anywhere in the world. I’ve seen a jetliner for sale on Taobao. Or a nest of live Asian giant hornets.)
Here’s a whole bunch of “banned” Back to the Future merch from a trivial search. Indeed here’s the video itself on sale. Pretty fucking lame ban, isn’t it? Let’s add some more. Time Child is a movie in theatres now so I can’t link you to a DVD/BR but I can link you to a shitload of merch. Here are a couple of older ones.
Oh, and here’s Ghostbusters on sale. But ghosts are banned in China! HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE!? How? Easy. They’re not banned. That second link is a ghost story (Silk) from 2006. (There’s a 2022 movie (The Curse) whose title is a single character (咒) that is also used in a lot of Taobao Buddhist content. I can’t be arsed to go finding that one movie among all the Buddhist stuff so you’ll just have to believe that it’s there. Or not. It doesn’t really fucking matter since I already proved twice over that ghost stories aren’t banned.)
Seems what “everyone’s heard” is utter bullshit.
Is there anything else you’d like to incorrect me on?
screen shots if the links don't work outside of China
This is tangentially related but not intended as an argument or anything. I’m just curious if you have any insight into why skulls get censored in China. I’d rather hear from someone living there than wade through AI slop and propaganda/misinfo.
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They aren’t? Not even slightly?
I can get the Skull card game from a hundred different places on Taobao. I have skull and skeleton enamel pins I bought from Taobao. (Some of them verge on the pornographic. The pornographic parts are censored.) I have skull-shaped bead bracelets and a skull-shaped keychain. None of them were censored when I bought them.
Here’s a Taobao search on skulls. If the search link doesn’t work, there’s a screenshot behind the spoiler.
screenshot
Neat! I remember… I think it was World of Warcraft? I thought had to censor skulls/skeletons before releasing there. But if that wasn’t the case then I’m happy to be informed!
Did you really stop reading at that sentence so you could leap in and make a point I MADE IMMEDIATELY AFTER IT!?
I’m going to assume you were “educated” (for want of a better term) in the USA from this.
When I was using a big Lemmy instance I needed a VPN, yes. This one is just far enough under the radar to not really need it. (Same thing with one of my Mastodon accounts and my Pixelfed account.)
So you really think it’s okay that your country blocks you from visiting foreign websites? Like, I’m perfectly happy to criticize all the dumb shit that’s wrong with the United States. Our government is a pile of shit. But you need a VPN to use ordinary websites, and you still think China’s laws are “good”?
It’s not my fucking country. Just like your country isn’t my fucking country. I live in it. There’s a decided difference.
And you know what? Given the choice between living in a country where the only response to more-than-daily mass shootings and regular school shootings is “thoughts and prayers” and a country that stops me from seeing some web sites outside of their borders unless I use technological trickery …
… Well, the latter, while certainly not ideal, is MOTHERFUCKING ENDLESSLY BETTER, yes. (It’s why I live here and not in the shithole you come from.) Thank you for asking.
Do you feel like the government represents you?
Have you ever tried to get politically involved? If so, what was your experience?
I never said the US was better than China, but you sure seem determined to think that only one of them can be bad, so I don’t see any point in continuing this.
Not the guy you’re responding to, but hexbear and .ml are the only blocked instances, feddit blocks all of Asia I think because I couldn’t load its images in vietnam either.
Typical Feddit.
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you have to be a bot writing like that. XD
Cope
lol you guys. working so hard to make sure as few people as possible become socialists.
If you think your being made fun of here is going to have any impact on anyone but you then you’ve drastically overestimated your importance
lol you’re all so predictable, it’s honestly amazing.
welp, back to quarantine with you.
You can’t predict jack shit clown
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