Please. You don’t use exercise to lose weight. That’s what bootleg weight loss drugs are for.
This one hits close to home. I was in great shape the first half-plus of my life. Played sports, swam competitively, did the Marine thing. Always had a reason to want to not be out of shape, mainly so doing things didn’t suck.
Lost reason. Packed some pounds on, maybe 20 or so.
Finally decided about a year and a half ago to start running again, and so now I run like 35-40 miles a week, and every run I see the calories. Run for 45 minutes, burn like 650 calories. Costco has these cookies that I have to avoid seeing, and each cookie is 200 calories, and I can easily eat three, four, five at a clip, with a nice tall glass of milk. And so I’ll run for 90 minutes, and literally offset the benefit entirely in 10 minutes watching Netflix before bed.
It’s not fair. But it is what it is. And so my reason to run is chocolate chip cookies.
I got a recumbent bike from a sale at a big box store. Set up a Steam Link (yes i know its old as fuck) and a Steam Controller. I play my library of games while I bike. The last few years I play Fall Guys for anywhere from 30-60 minutes at a time.
Great cardio. I forget I’m even doing it. Usually burn around 300-500 in a session a few times a week. All that said, I still eat like shit and can’t lose weight… BUT I am not putting any on. So thats nice I guess.
As someone else mentioned, humans are hilariously good at cardio. And the more you do it the more efficient you become at it, which means less calories burned.
Then there’s NEAT (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis) which is unconscious movements you perform during the day. This accounts for a huge number of calories you burn during the day. Both exercise and cutting calories reduce NEAT, especially at you get leaner.
This isn’t to say you shouldn’t cut calories or exercise. Reducing caloric intake absolutely works, you just need to be aware that your body will adjust to it, and that you should take breaks from dieting occasionally to bring your daily estimated calorie burn back up. Exercise should be thought of as something that improves health with a side benefit of some caloric burn.
Just my opinion.
It is easier to limit excess calories than to burn them with exercise, for sure.
But I do the recommended 30 minutes of “moderate exercise” and I see 200 calories, so it is maybe not entirely as dismal as this?
Exercise is good for mental health
building muscle through resistance training is the best way to get your body to burn more calories. cardio is exercise for heart and lungs
I’m 265 lbs. and if the treadmill takes that into account I see about 400 calories down 30 minutes into my 5k.
BUT, the saying I’ve heard is “you can’t outrun your fork” and it seems to be true. (For example, I quite enjoy eating 2000 calories at a buffet in 30 minutes… if I’m going to get back down to a reasonable weight, I have to DON’T DO THAT.)
It is actually harder this time, because before the rapist-in-chief got re-elected, I was down to 220 and could finish a 5k in <28 minutes.
It’s actually infuriating how energy efficient the human body is…in peace time anyways.
The emphasis when I was younger that exercise was needed to lose weight. Now the emphasis is shifting that eating better and lighter does with exercise an aid in he situation.
Exercise is for building and maintaining muscle and cardio health. The only way it helps in losing weight is that muscles are more energy intensive than fat to maintain.
Yes, specifically:
Excess activity from your baseline will cause excess caloric output and can result in weight loss. BUT, human bodies are quite adaptable and what used to be excess activity can easily become your new baseline.
Absolutely, 75-300 minutes of cardio-vascular exercise is good for almost anyone, even if they need to gain weight. The same can be said for hitting every muscle group with resistance training twice a week, to a lesser extent. (Do both if you can, but do the cardio if you can only do one.) EDIT: Neither of these activities has to be done expressly for “exercise” – they are just as good for you when they are part of your work or play or any other purpose.
Part of the trick is finding an exercise that’s actually enjoyable to do so that you don’t care how hard you’re working or how much time has passed. Time is gonna pass extra slow on a treadmill and feel really difficult, if you’re not enjoying it. I find that the bicycle is that sweet spot for me, I do it because it’s fun not because of my health.
Part of the trick is finding an exercise that’s actually enjoyable to do so that you don’t care how hard you’re working or how much time has passed.
So sports?
If sports is that thing for you, yeah. I actually hate doing most sports.
Part of the trick is finding an exercise that’s actually enjoyable to do so that you don’t care how hard you’re working or how much time has passed.
That’s why I take an edible and then run the treadmill.
Whatever works!
I’ve never found an exercise I enjoy. The closest I got was DDR, but the home pads suck and the arcades cost too much.
I do the treadmill because I can let my mind and hand set the pace. If I’m on a bike, I won’t get my HR into zone 2, because I’m lazy.
Ever try a rowing machine?
I do rows for resistance/strength training, but I don’t think I’ve ever used a rowing machine for cardio.
I have an exercise bike at home, so I’ve taken to dragging it into the living room and playing video games while I do an hour of zone 2. I end up finishing my hour before I even realize it; plus, trying not to get curbstomped in Elden Ring is incredibly conducive to keeping your heart rate up.
I like riding a bmx bike but I’m also pushing 40 so I look like an old crackhead who just stole a kids BMX bike if I do.
If it’s something you both enjoy and that is good for your health, you need to double-ignore any “haters”. They aren’t going to live in your head with your future body, so fuck 'em.
Do it, nobody gives a shit more than you do
Awesome. If I saw someone 10 years older than me absolutely tearing up a path in the woods, pushing themselves the way I remember biking for fun, I’d be nothing short of inspired.
In my 30s I lived in Seattle and rode bikes everywhere. I was proud on the day I rode a bmx from the stadium up and over to the other side of Capitol Hill where I lived. It’s only a 3 mile (4.8 km) trip but with a 400 ft (121.9 m) change in elevation.
I wouldn’t mind biking if I didn’t live in a city. Years ago back when I was going to college, I decided to ride my bike the one mile to school and made it about 2 weeks before crashing to avoid being hit by a car.
If I didn’t live in America.
Ftfy.
Also, it isn’t better in an American countryside, unless you like semis blasting past at 55mph giving you zero room while you ride on a nearly non-existent shoulder. I’ve been there. It isn’t fun, though it does get the adrenaline pumping. Also, things are way further apart so it’s a lot more biking to get anywhere. God bless the US of A.
Before someone says “biking is also bad in XYZ location:” Of course there are also other places in the world that don’t have bike infrastructure, but America is kinda the most famous for it, especially considering the country’s wealth.
I definitely agree with you about riding on country roads, but I love in the PNW and was thinking more about being closer to mountain bike trails out in the woods as far away from cars as I can be.
There are also some cities around that have good bike infrastructure where they’re at least common enough in the city that people watch out for them or even better there are dedicated bike paths up on the curb so you’re not just separated from traffic by a white strip of paint on the ground.
Ahh, yeah, logging roads and the likes, suuuper rural stuff. And yeah, I live in Spokane, and the bike infrastructure is fragmented, but not as bad as you’d think.
Same same same. Once I fell in love with cycling it just became something I do. It’s only exercise incidentally. Not like I’m super fit or anything but I am healthy and I have a hobby I enjoy that is also good for me.
If you haven’t found something like this for you, there isn’t anything wrong with you, you just haven’t found it yet.
I love biking, but the ride to work kinda sucks. Either I have to turn the 2 mile ride into 8 miles to avoid cars, or I have to ride in a narrow bike lane on the side of a 4 lane road. I do dream of better infrastructure.
What has been working awesome is riding the tandem to our weekly trivia watering hole, it’s almost entirely through suburbs and on Spokane’s incredible Centennial trail. I also don’t mind if we don’t take the most efficient route, as it’s all for leisure. Of course I’m probably still at a net gain on calories haha, it’s a 4 mile round trip, fairly level, and that just ain’t enough to cover two beers and a burger.
Won’t lie that 8 mile detour sounds like a rather nice option. You’d be surprised how quick you can get used to that kind of distance.
That’s a good point. It’s definitely hard to get motivated to spend 45 minutes cycling to work in the morning when I could just hop in the car and be there in under 10. If there were some magical way to drive to work and cycle home, I’d do that in a heartbeat. I’m always in more of a cycling mood in the afternoon, once I’m more awake.
Trail running makes running so much better, but also I find an hour and a half on the treadmill way easier than an hour and a half on the stationary bike.
I love riding bikes outside, but I can’t stand riding on the trainer. And whenever I say it, there’s always someone trying to convince me that I’m being irrational for not liking both
Me, I want to exercise on the machines / mills because as soon as I’m done I want to be in a air-conditioned building. :)
But, I think I’m the weird one. IME, most people enjoy exercising outside more, if not exclusively.
Some things I’ve learned throughout the years that may be useful to some people:
- if your aim is to use a lot of energy, dialing down the intensity significantly and working for a longer time is the way to go
- basically all cardio machines at the gym are going to be boring as all hell, going outside and doing activities is a lot more fun
- baking in activity into your day-to-day routines is very helpful. Transporting yourself by biking, walking, taking transit, a mix of all of the above makes a large difference
- cardio as a means of losing weight has a downside in that vigorous exercise provokes a lot of hunger. make sure to combine with small sustainable changes in diet for best results
Thing to try: Get a bike trainer, subscribe to Zwift, and play a game an hour or so a day.
It could happen one day! I’m already getting more than sufficient training, and adding 1 hour of training a day on top of my current volume would be actively counterproductive.
Exercise isn’t a great way to lose weight at all. The best way to lose weight is changing how much you consume. That being said, exercise and movement are very important for being healthy in general.
source: https://youtu.be/vSSkDos2hzo
Yup, as a Fat Person™ I couldn’t get into an exercise regiment and keep with it because it’s very difficult to do much with a lot of weight. Then a doctor told me “Exercise is good, but you lose weight first in the kitchen.” Eat out less, eat more vegetables and fruits, less carbs, fat doesn’t make you fatter calories do, if the food is fat free that means it has more calories as they put a crap ton of sugar in it.
Both are important. Building muscle increases your BMR so you expend more calories just existing.
If you’re someone like me who has never really paid attention to what you’re eating so long as you aren’t rapidly packing on weight, I recently downloaded an app called Cronometer after being told by my doctor that my blood pressure and cholesterol are too high and to lose weight.
I’ve been tracking everything I eat and have managed to keep myself between 1000 and 1500 calories a day along with monitoring my fat, carbs, sodium, and protein intake. It has been insanely eye opening to see and feel the difference after cutting out the daily burgers, pizza, and fried foods and its only been like a week and a half. Seeing the numbers in the app makes it almost like a game to see how little fat and calories I can eat each meal/day and shocking to see what is contained with a typical meal that I used to eat (easily 2-3 days worth of fat and calories compared to what I’m eating now in just one meal).
In any case, if you want to eat better, try finding something that let’s you tally up what you’re eating. From there it’s as simple as finding better alternatives (like a low fat dressing instead of regular dressing, or chicken/fish instead of beef/pork) or replacing just one meal a day with something healthier.
I used Cronometer for awhile, but it was too much to enter everything every day. I switched to a really simple keto diet and I’ve lost 45 lbs so far this year.
It is somewhat annoying (mainly figuring out serving sizes) but I do it while I’m eating and it makes me eat more slowly. It looks like you can also make your own meals or recipes, which includes all the individual items into one entity to enter in one go. I have to watch my fat intake so I don’t know if keto would be right for me though I do know a few people who swear by it.
I love the apps but, man, they just took too much time for me to enter everything into one, especially with any home cooked meals where you have to enter all the ingredients. If it were automatic, I’d love it. I guess that’s why they’re trying to make those stupid AI pins and glasses do it, even though it’s way too complex a problem for them.
I’ve just settled for removing junk from the house and it’s worked OK, plus I can still eat “normally” when at a party or something.
I had issues with the apps when I tried them a long time ago. Like I’d make a stir fry of chicken with veggies but there’s nothing on the app comparable so I had to guess on the nutrition.
For me, it’s better if i just keep healthier snacks on hand, fruit and snackable veggies. As well try to have one vegetable with lunch and dinner.
Ive been having to guess on some things with home cooked meals since I’m not using a kitchen scale but I’ve been able to just google “100g of salmon” or guesstimate by cups or tablespoons and think its close enough. I try to err on the side of inputting higher than I think just so that I’m not having more fat or sodium than I should.
This is a big lifestyle change for me so having all this data is really helpful.
I’ve learned that cardio can work, but there’s also a lot of truth to that “you can’t outrun a bad diet” saying. Like you said, your body can subtly undermine your work by making you more hungry, and it can also cause you to be less active in between exercise without realizing it.
Last year I cut out 95% of all junk food and snacking, started eating more lean protein (like chicken), and made sure to cut out ultra processed foods where I could (i.e. home-cooked meals vs frozen dinners), and without increasing exercise I lost 20 lbs in 2 months. Sometimes it really is the diet that holds you back.
It’s always the diet. Even someone who burns an extra 4000 calories a day can eat themselves into obesity.
That doesn’t mean someone has to starve to lose weight, just watch what they eat, like you did.
That isn’t a surprise, diet makes a massively bigger difference than exercise, but the real goal needs to be sustainability.
That’s a fantastic result, nice job.
Yeah, most of the people I’ve spoken with about their weight issues have terrible portion control. Like they’ll just sit and eat an entire bag of chips while they watch TV for an hour. It’s crazy to me. My parents just got put on a diet to try to get their weight under control because they’re both pre-diabetic and the next day my mom went out to costco and loaded up on fruit for them to snack on instead of chips. Which I guess is better, but an entire shelf in their giant 2 door refrigerator is full of tubs of berries and shit, if they’re planning to eat proper portions of those as snacks half that shit will rot before they get through it. Maybe my mom just has brain rot from all the fad diets she’s been exposed to over the years but I don’t think the idea of just not eating snacks or counting calories even went through their heads.
Many fruits freeze well. Many don’t too, so look each up before doing it. Eating fruit while it’s frozen is especially nice on a hot day
It’s crazy to me how people can not eat a whole bag of chips. Like I am supposed to put half of the bag back into the cupboard? If I open a bar of chocolate, I eat the whole thing, every time. And a lot of people I know are similar. This is the reason why I never but this stuff, as the best defense tactic is to have nothing in the house.
I am overall a healthy person and do a lot of exercising by the way, but I can’t control myself with chips. And I think that is not unnatural, as this stuff is made exactly the way that it makes you addicted af. Of course I feel like shit after I ate the whole bag, but I don’t know how to control myself.
Seriously, don’t eat snacks out of the package they come in. Put a small portion in a bowl or on a plate and put the main container up. It gets easier with practice.
Like I am supposed to put half of the bag back into the cupboard?
Yeah. Even better, don’t take the bag of chips out for the snack, only take out a bowl or so of them and don’t just keep refilling the bowl, that’s the hard part. Not having your snack bag readily available means you have to expend effort to go get more, and that’s generally when I lean into my lazy habits. Because I have to go all the way downstairs and across the house to get more.
I feel like snacking in the USA has been made out to be something you do to pass the time or fill up. Instead of enjoying something delightful.
Like I am supposed to put half of the bag back into the cupboard?
Yes? A serving of 15-20 chips is usually like 150 calories some are way worse than that. Dump a handful in a bowl and put the bag up. If you take the bag with you of course you’re going to mindlessly plow through it. How many times does someone need to do that before they think “wow, that’s not good for me, maybe I should consider a different tactic to consuming these things?”, that’s the crazy part to me that they don’t do anything to change their habits. You’re right though that just not buying it is the best option if that’s a problem for you as they are designed to be addictive.
My body isn’t subtle in the slightest.
Any amount of work?
We’re starving, we’re starving! Says my body, like the cats who have a still almost full bowl of food.
Stupid meat husk.
Right? (I know it’s not the same) but come on look at all of this fat you can burn! You’re not hungry, you’re lazy, you know, like I want to be.
This is because people diet wrong. You can absolutely gorge yourself on vegetables and still easily run a calorie deficit. People instead try to just eat tiny amounts of calorie dense foods, and that’s what fails, because it leaves you hungry and tired.
Also, taking massive doses of iron supplements (or dark greens) helps a lot.
Personally Ive never been able to lose weight except by eating less. Lost 8 pounds backpacking in 5 days once though, was probably atleast a 2k calorie deficit per day.
Personally Ive never been able to lose weight except by eating less.
That’s absolutely the best way to lose weight.
People shouldn’t exercise to lose weight, they should exercise because it’s good for your general physical, mental and emotional health. To lose weight, you eat less.
More than half the reason I ever get any exercise at all is in service of my mental health.
CI, CO
I can leverage my superpower of laziness and simply not eat all day, a couple of times a week, and lose 30 lbs. It’s way easier þan exercising.
The other thing is that by not eating, your stomach will shrink. Pretty fast too, within a week of eating less your stomach will become smaller and it will become easier to feel full.
So true. It’s weird to see portion sizes I dish up for myself shrink so distinctly and quickly.
I can’t maintain þrough the holiday, þough, so I tend to lose weight around Feb-Apr and keep it off until Nov. It’s not healþy, but 🤷
I find physical activity suppresses my appetite, so I tend to lose weight when outdoors just from not thinking about eating as often and not eating as much when I do because I feel full with less.
basically all cardio machines at the gym are going to be boring as all hell, going outside and doing activities is a lot more fun
I have health issues so I can no longer go biking outdoors, but I use the app KinoMap (like Peloton but without brand lock-in) to view POV video of bike trips and the app adjusts resistance over BT according to the road topology.
I pick out a map/video and internet radio or a playlist from the country it is recorded. It makes exercise much easier and more fun for me and is way more engaging than staring at numbers on a display.
They also have videos for running trails and rowing and additional social media stuff that I am not interested in.
That sounds like the most fun you can get with an indoor bike, and I’m happy you’re able to do It despite the health issues.
I will concede that the one type of indoor training I could one day get behind would probably be virtual cycling. Maybe one winter when I decide that running in the dark and wet isn’t actually fun. Time will tell.
There are other apps that are more oriented towards racing if that’s your thing and you can get a BT connected trainer for your roadbike.
For me an upright exercise bike is great now and I enjoy doing little mini excursions around the world when I can not travel any more.
baking in activity into your day-to-day routines is very helpful. Transporting yourself by biking, walking, taking transit, a mix of all of the above makes a large difference
What is this “going outside” you are talking about? Sounds very interesting
It’s a free open world thing with really good graphics - but it’s multiplayer only, and PVP can’t be switched off.
Men, been there, you’re not missing out.
The outside experience is extremely location dependant.
my house would be outside experience if I didn’t live inside it. It’s all a matter of perspective
The daystar!
The boring as hell part can be managed with a smartphone and some movies.
Of course depending on the specific machine. Some are better for it than others.
I prefer elliptical machine as it spreads the load out all across the body and it’s the easiest to manage the load with it to aim for some specific heart rate zones. At the same time i have almost 2(1+1) undistributed hours to watch whatever movie or TV show i want. More peaceful than watching those at home.
Yeah I used throw on a podcast or whatever type of music I need to get into the zone when I had an excercise bike until it developed some kind of software problem I can’t figure out how to fix. Now I’m back to doing HIIT while I fold laundry.
Distraction devices tend to be less effective on indoor machines for me personally. I do listen to a bunch of podcasts for outdoor runs/bike rides though, and find them to be an essential part of the process
even going for a walk is probably as effective
I tried to up the effectiveness of my walks with a weighted vest, but my god do those things make you look like a douchebag.
Plus I’m a white guy with transition lenses who doesn’t like getting a sunburn on my neck, and appreciate the utility of cargo shorts.
So I’m a white guy, in sunglasses, a backwards hat, and cargo short; that, to me, just screams ICE agent, which I do not want to be associated with.
I need to zhuzh up my wardrobe with bright colors or something.
There’s little to no evidence that cardio excerse leads to weight loss. Groups who restrict calorie intake alway out perform the exercise group in weight loss studies and there’s never any significant difference between 2 groups who both restrict calories but one exercises and the other does not.
It’s a fundamental misunderstanding of how we use glycogen for moving around and fat as an emergency reserve. If we remember that we evolved as persistence hunters, it starts to make more sense. I.E. what’s the point in putting on a layer of fat for a winter reserve, if you could accidentally run it off chasing down a meal? Those that could run it off chasing down a meal didn’t survive the hard winters and those that didn’t lived.
The whole idea that you could do cardio to lose weight was invented by food producers to make people think they could treat their diet like a credit card and payback overspending with exercise. That way, we would eat more and they would make more money. It’s also the reason it’s called cardiovascular exercise and not weight-loss excersise.
if your aim is to use a lot of energy, dialing down the intensity significantly and working for a longer time is the way to go basically all cardio machines at the gym are going to be boring as all hell, going outside and doing activities is a lot more fun
If you are having enough fun, even high-intensity can be maintained far longer than you’d think possible when doing something that’s engaging. Still, spending 1 hour in zone 4-5 is probably gonna burn less calories than a 1.5 hour workout centered on zone 3.
cardio as a means of losing weight has a downside in that vigorous exercise provokes a lot of hunger. make sure to combine with small sustainable changes in diet for best results
But what if you just work out so intensely, that you’re too tired to eat? Its funny to me that the body can have like a 4K calorie deficit for the day and still just be like “No food. That’s a problem for tomorrow. Sleep now.” Probably a case where ignoring your body is a good idea.
Spending an hour in zone 5 is not exactly what I would call a realistic endeavor, given that zone 5 explicitly is above LT2. Lower zone 4, sure, but you’re looking at a race effort at that point
I meant a mixture of 4/5 (like HIIT-style, I guess?) and part of the point was agreement that if you strictly care about calories burned, dialing down the intensity is increasing the time is far better if you aren’t limited primarily by time. Still can be fun trying to chase the 1000 calories/hour burn rate even if its not effective.
- everyone says calories when they mean kilocalories
This is true and perhaps it would be nice if the running machine would say, “you’ve burned through 73,000 calories!” But then the Doritos bag would have to say 375,000 calories (75 g, 2 ⅝ ounces, about 30 chips) (edit: Nacho Cheese specifically)
“You just eat less and exercise more.”
- Crunch Bandicoot, Crash Nitro Kart
All I can think about is how Crash Bandicoot’s main series games are basically doing exercises to get entire crates full of apples.
He must be pretty ripped
People must be made so different. Exercise is the main factor in my size & weight. Like, even getting a job where I have to go up the stairs makes a difference.
And remember that there are so many benefits to exercise, beyond body shape. Cardio is so good for your heart and helps ease anxiety, lifting is so good for your bones, yoga helps keep you resilient & mobile so you don’t break when you fall down, and helps with balance.
All of them help offset all the sitting most of us have to do at work.
I’m grateful that my work involves running around with children, lifting them up, spinning them, etc. I get a bit of cardio and strength training while making money.
Except today. It was hot as balls and the air conditioner wasn’t fully working. I produced enough sweat sitting still to put a gym bro to shame. At one point a kid was spinning around on a spinner toy and I sat next to her just so I could feel the breeze it made, like a little fan.
Yeah but how many jobs are available as a professional child abductor? This doesn’t seem feasible for most people.
Damn, that was good. I probably should’ve phrased things differently, haha.
You’ve just gotta be the change you want to see in the world
You gotta think bigger, start a business, be your own boss
Humans are hilariously efficient at running. Skipping a candy bar is easier than running two miles.
The line I like is “you can’t outrun your fork.” Weight loss is 99% about the kitchen, bodybuilding is probably about 75% the kitchen.
And also “six packs are made in the kitchen, not the gym.” Everyone’s got abs, you just can’t always see em!
Speak for your fucking self. I run about as well as a 65 year old tractor left out in the sun
Put the candy bar at the end of a track and I’ll run to get the candy.
Had a short walk to the store and back. About 130 cal burned. Then I drink a big glass of milk. 300 cal.
Awesome
In case anyone needs to hear this, you do not need to be exercising away every calorie you eat. A ton of energy gets burned just keeping your body alive. Just keeping your body temperature in the right range accounts for around half of it on its own.
Is there any information about exercising in the cold vs when hot?
Go for a run outside it’s much better and you go farther
If your goal is losing weight then yes it is underwhelming to say the least, but you should just totally ignore that number and focus on how the exercise makes you feel instead because I promise it’s not a drag and you will feel good about it if you approach it right and make it a habit, if you are pushing yourself way too hard then it is going to be miserable. Take your time, ease into it, then it will feel nice to be able to run or bike some miles without being totally winded.
Yeah, long brisque walks and other low impact exercise helps your body’s internal systems in ways that are more beneficial than just weight regulation. I started walking a couple miles every other day a month ago and despite not losing any significant weight yet I just sleep better, my digestive track is working better, and I just feel better overall.
Missed it due to weather the last few days and I clearly need to get out for a walk this evening.
Note: I feel miserable while I am doing the exercise, the good feeling is the rest of the day.
I notice a huge improvement in just about everything when I’m going on walks frequently. I’m sure the exercise and vitamin D is most of it, but it’s also sort of meditative and good for clearing your head.
I feel good once I get over an initial exasperation, say about 5-10 minutes into the exercise, once I push through that I feel pretty golden and the exercise starts to feel good. I suppose it is different for everyone though, but yeah the good feeling does persist throughout the day as well so it’s definitely worth it in any case.
