How are employers getting a hold of these results?
Easy. The insurer raises the rates because of a “pre-diagnosis” then the employer either switches plans or layoffs people. I don’t know how granular the layoffs would be. Were those 10k layoffs at Microsoft AI related or “pre-diagnosis.” Occam’s Razor says AI, but we don’t know for sure.
It’s not even greed, isn’t this just cruelty at this point?
Dealing with an early diagnosis should be significantly cheaper and more beneficial. Your paying customer lives longer to continue to pay you more for less investment. Right?
Oh thank god I live in a country with universal Healthcare and not in some dystopian syndicalist hellhole. This scenario is unthinkable where I live, AI in medicine is seen here as useful …
And thanks to your efforts abroad, they’ll make us more dystopian because “you’re shielded” (for now) so you’re not doing it to yourself, just the faceless Yanks and such.
guarantee all that awesome data being shared that is saving lives will be being used for evil in non single payer countries for sure.
Unthinkable for the immediate future.
These days, even that seems more like a failure of imagination than an accurate prediction of the future :(
“Our most pessimistic theories were not bad enough”
Allways this, better than “Fuck AI” is “Fuck AI from big corps” (and big greedy corps too)
True unfortunately, but I also have zero sympathy for Meta people.
What’s next, cry over Palantir or ICE scumbags losing their job?ICE isn’t going to fire much soon because it’s the last refuge of malcontent people who want vengeance.
Oh look, psychopath CEOs are helping people die faster. And we still do nothing.
By writing all these theories on the net before they come true we are giving them ideas 💡
Only in 'Murica would life-saving developments be used to deny people treatment so that some rich cunts can accumulate even more wealth
It’s a broken country, and I can’t wait to see it fall
The only issue is the many many millions, tens if not hundreds, that die as a direct result of that.
Broken implies that this wasn’t the goal.
the goal is broken
Anything that can be exploited for profit is fair game here. There’s hardly anything left at this point, so it’s starting to get grizzly
Alright, if you look at this story from a more reputable source (Reuters), it’s quite a bit different. Meta isn’t accused of using AI with people’s medical information to make early diagnoses and lay them off. Instead,
According to the complaint, Meta used a number of internal AI-assisted systems to score and rank employees on a termination list. Those included “Metamate,” a large language model assistant; an employee-trained “second brain” that tracked workers’ communications and documents; and a productivity score drawn from scanning keystrokes, screen content, emails and browser history, according to the lawsuit.
The 26 plaintiffs, who filed the lawsuit anonymously, are accusing Meta of violating federal and state laws that ban discrimination or retaliation against workers who have disabilities, take medical leave or are pregnant. They also claim that Meta failed to test its AI systems for bias in violation of recently adopted California and New York City laws.
So it’s still shitty workplace surveillance and discrimination but not the same kind of surveillance and discrimination alleged in the Twitter posts. Meta is using AI to try to rank workers’ productivity (on a bunch of shitty metrics) in a way that may discriminate against people with disabilities or who take medical leave or who are pregnant.
Reuters is not a reputable source. And it’s the same headline
Meta isn’t accused of using AI with people’s medical information to make early diagnoses and lay them off. Instead,
Because Meta doesn’t have access to their medical info yet. They would 100% do so if they ever managed to get their hands on this info. Big corporations can’t wait to go full Aktion T4 mode.
I always heard Reuters is very reputable. Can you share some evidence that shows why you think it isn’t?
There pretty reputable but their writers use incredibly loaded language pretty often, sanewashing Trump and republicans while doing the opposite with dems to fuel the both sides discourse. More objective in average than the average but the agenda is still clear.
No idea why they are saying it’s not reputable. As far as I am aware, it puts out probably some of the most trusted news compared other similar news outlets. Plus it is also one of the least biased news sources out there right now.
Funny thing is, Infowars is now Onion property.
Yea haha. That is an out of date chart. They have an interactive one (posted in another comment). Though I didn’t check where Infowars falls now.
You’re just posting the Propaganda Multiplier but it’s the propaganda version of it. These newspapers get their talking points from the US government and will publish whatever they are asked to. This is especially noticeable whenever the US invades a country and lies to manufacture consent for the invasion.
You’re posting a picture of Swiss Propaganda Research, an anonymous group that spreads conspiracy theories while accusing Swiss media of “one-sided and uncritical” reporting. This falls squarely into what we in Switzerland call Schwurbler territory: people who peddle wild claims like Bill Gates implanting 5G chips through COVID vaccines or “mainstream science” secretly working to enslave humanity. The figure presumably behind SPR, Daniele Ganser, styles himself as a “peace researcher” (a self-invented title with no academic foundation). He was fired from ETH Zurich, where he served as a Senior Researcher, for promoting 9/11 conspiracy myths, and his subsequent teaching positions, including at the University of St. Gallen, were terminated after his theories were deemed damaging to institutional reputation.
https://www.beobachter.ch/multimedia/digital/anonyme-warner-mit-scharfem-s-297308
It doesn’t matter who made it. What matter is that it’s correct. All international media copy pastes anything these propaganda outlets say without double checking it.
If you want a more blatant example of Reuters lying, during the Maccabi riots in Amsterdam they said that a video of Maccabi supporters attacking a Moroccan was the inverse to push the narrative that there was a Pogrom against Jews
Reuters and other propaganda outlets were notified of this by the person who made the video but they refused to correct it for multiple days because they had to keep the narrative going.
I will not engage further in this convo. you’re simplifying things. nobody claims that media never is without a doubt biasfree. but stating that all is propaganda fed by the pentagon is a false claim and spreading such nonsense is dangerous for every democracy. tschüss.
As a non American from a more socialist country: more like Overtonwindowbias.com 😅
Thanks, that’s what I understood!
Is there a newer version of this chart? It’s dated from 2018, and things have certainly changed since then.
Oh! Looks like there is an interactive version now. It does not seem to be optimized for phone, but Reuters is still roughly in the same spot it was in 2018.
One Palestinian genocide whitewashing later and Reuters is still on top…
Question the raters for once.
The chart doesn’t say that every article they’ve published falls there, it just says on average they do. There are multiple articles for them marked as less reliable.
They’re on lemmy.ml. I’m sure they have some insane tankie reasoning
Your server is banning people for celebrating the death of Lindsey Graham it’s kind of incredible you’re claiming people are insane to not be on it.
Here’s a recent flagrant one https://lemmy.ml/post/48321919
Yeah… I’ve kinda been dreading the day when they attempt to modify HIPAA to allow the automation of the authorization process for work places to access your medical data.
Right now as a provider if a workplace requests medical records for one of my patients I get to decide if they have authorization, a valid reason to make the request, and get to determine what information they have access to that is pertinent to their request.
I have a sneaking suspicion that with the spread of EMR systems like Epic, employers will attempt to pressure legislators to change HIPAA to automate the process and cut providers out of the picture.
The problem is that electronic medical records programs like Epic are still really shit about how they allocate things like diagnosis codes. There doesn’t seem to be a good way to differentiate primary diagnosis codes made by a PCP and the diagnosis codes used for billing and documenting follow up care. It forces you to enter diagnosis codes anytime you enter a medical note, even if you don’t have the proper licensing to make a diagnosis. So when someone like a nurse is documenting their care, they may just add miscellaneous diagnosis code just so they can enter their documentation.
Now any human who works in healthcare and has used Epic can read through the note and from context understand that it’s a throw away miscellaneous dx code, but something like AI may just use that dx code as justification to widen the scope of their access.
So did they look at weird boobie pictures to decide to fire female employees or nah?
They would if they could. That’s the point.
They’re already using AI to detect medical conditions to fire people on.
Capitalism will eventually look at your weird boobie pictures and fire you for them if you Capitalism long enough.
Probably any system that is managed too efficiently starts to suck.
This is really an interesting example. Not sure if one should blame AI or capitalism for this. Kinda reminds me of Gattaca.
Theoretically capitalism could do this manually to optimize for profit, but there are limits. You can only hire so many completely psychotic human resources employees until very weird and bad shit starts to happen and your company is sucked straight into a hellmouth. But an AI robot is completely objective, unemotional, unbiased, beautifully soulless and can surely maximize profit endlessly with no pesky human side effects. Obviously it can’t but that is the dream.
Capitalism exists to serve, you guessed it, capital.
This means those who have money will be served and those who don’t have money will not.
Big banks who have money are getting bailouts and poor people have their social security removed.
Large companies have their needs fulfilled and those who don’t have money are not.
What a bullshit arguments.
Decl. ¶¶ 19; Doe 4 Decl. ¶¶ 11. The monitoring program—announced internally as the “Model Capability Initiative”—thus captured not only employees’ work output but also their protected-leave and medical activity.
Literally in the court case papers.
source: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.474171/gov.uscourts.cand.474171.1.0.pdfYou will now say this is not true ? You’re AI enthusiast, Meta employee or something ?
I literally said that Meta was firing people for protected leave, disabilities, and medical issues. What I was denying is that they were firing people on the basis of “pre-diagnoses.” All the complaints in the lawsuit are based on diagnoses that employees disclosed to Meta. I think that’s shitty and illegal, but I don’t think there is evidence that Meta is acquiring undisclosed medical information about their employees and using that for layoffs.
“Technology” under capitalism is a regressive force for violence, theft, and control.
Technology enabled new skills, and then these are used with force to gain power.
Technology enabled current skills to be done at a larger scale, essentially creating new skills that are then applied with force to gain power.
The people with the skills to use technology are not the ones with the power.
Their bosses are the ones with power, and they don’t know fucking anything.
Yup, exploitation of labor per usual.
But when I say ‘skills’ I didn’t mean individual coding ability, I mean like Analytics. Skills that an entire corporation wields. Monitoring weather and hiking prices for utilities during a national emergency incrementally or ‘intelligently’. The way VW cheated on emissions. The way flock uses optical text recognition to read license plates and effectively creates a massive surveillance apparatus.
Use tech to do a thing, but scale it up wide and quick, abuse it before the law can catch up.
Sounds like zuck needs to have irreversible health issues~
He’ll spent billions to treat himself and will still do this kind of shit.
Always remember these people consider themselves above the crowd and think it’s completely normal they’re treated differently.The world would be a better place if he were diagnosed with Mangione Syndrome. I heard a health insurance CEO was diagnosed with it in late 2024, and died very shortly after
I believe it was more irreversible, like a severe cerebral lead poisoning.
i’m waiting for the phone announcement
That’s not what they mean.
Arterial ventilation?
“Your money or your life.”
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This sounds American.
It can happen to every and any healthcare system, insurance, institution having data in the cloud: if the host has activities in the US, it’s at legal risk of data being demanded under US laws ; if not, there’s always the risk of a leak.
That Meta used it so directly is very Meta. But you don’t know what your employer has on you thanks to big data. You’re in debt? Well, that means you desperately needs the job: no bonus, no raise. You have health issue? Let’s put you on the red list: no promotion, favored name in case of layoff. Etc.
Fuck yeah
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This is truly sad. If this technology is going to work like claimed in the future and diagnosed early breast cancer in just 5% of people it could help save 32000 people a year and help a lot of people who don’t die but have to go though a horrible treatment process.
There is no relationship between the two types of AI featured in the post. They’re completely unrelated stories.
That’s bullshit and you know it.
None of these models exist in a vacuum. If one company has a specific model that another doesn’t, other companies will buy access to it. That’s the entire business model.
Meta doesn’t need to use MetaAI for it. They’ll use PharmaAI for $1M a year if it saves them $1M and $1 by firing people that could cost them.
And PharmaAI isn’t gonna only sell access to medical schools and hospitals for life saving purposes. They’re gonna sell to whoever pays.
And AI routinely breaks the rules if you prompt it correctly. Convincingly tell it to ignore HIPAA, and it’ll give you everything it knows about a person. If hospital A (conveniently in network with Metas offered health plans) uses PharmaAI and Meta uses PharmaAI, then Meta will inevitably have access to the data. With enough money or the right prompting. These shithead companies have exactly zero privacy safeguards.
We’re not talking about vague hypotheticals. We’re talking about a real incident described in a real lawsuit that occurred in the real world. Please put away your hypotheticals, they have no place here.
There is zero allegation in the lawsuit filed by the plaintiffs that Meta used a cancer-screening AI. It seems that Meta just tried to get an AI to plan their layoffs, and they fed it data based on past layoffs. Since human beings discriminate against people with disabilities, the AI trained on their work also discriminates against people with disabilities.
I’m not going to address the tangent you went on. If you want to talk about some other hypothetical scenario, have fun. But I was talking about the real case being discussed here.
