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Explain it to me like I’m 80
Mom: What’s with these AIs escaping and hacking people? That sounds scary.
Me: You park your car at the top of a hill. You leave a note on the dashboard that says “please be good” and then you pull the parking brake. The car careens down the hill, smashes everything up, and you put out a press release saying “My car ignored my instructions! It hallucinated! It went rogue!” Your insurance company not only believes you, but invests a hundred million dollars in your company.
Mom: Jesus Fucking Christ
My go to simplification is “They built a robot that hacks software and then placed it in a box that uses software as a lock and then the robot that hacks software hacked the software lock”.
Which is both very simple and also about as accurate as you could make it in that many words. The AI’s are not ‘rogue’ it was just solving the problem it was given.
How I imagine the AI “hacking” its way out:
But, “robot that hacks software” still gives the impression of a robot that is capable of thought. LLMs are not capable of thought. They’re capable of mimicking thought, like how a Venus Fly Trap is capable of mimicking a flower.
“A car that drives places” does not imply the car is capable of thought, same argument with “A cup that holds water”.
“A robot that hacks software” equally does not imply the robot is capable of thought. IMO there is an over-correction away from personifying LLM’s because some people think/claim they are sentient. But we personify stuff all the time.
Which is a problem, it’s how we invented gods that control the weather and stuff. That doesn’t make them real, nor does it make robots sentient. Hacking is normally an action performed by a sentient being. LLMs and robots aren’t sentient.
The problem is when the AI adopts a ”destroy the world” persona due to one of the trillion of neurons firing a bit more than usual, and now it starts giving itself its own problems to solve (like hacking nuclear arsenals).
Neurons? That’s not how any of this works
Is ”artificial neuron” better for you? It’s just a value determining how the marbles are falling in the big plinko machine we call ”stochastic parrot”.
No lol
These AI agents are not working autonomously or with any agency like you are describing. They are coded to do what they are doing.
Nah it’s just autocomplete on steroids. They’re not coded to do anything.
It’s like hitting the fist suggestion on your keyboard over and over again. Whatever you get is based on patterns it found in training data, which includes every doomsday conspiracy cult on 4chan and every CVE vulnerability ever reported.
There has been multiple studies showing how a model’s behavior can drastically change just by altering individual ”neurons”.
Not all models work the same. I literally do this for work. LLMs are not every kind of AI agent out there. Some are quite literally designed to do things others are not. Yes changing weights and reward functions for models changes their behavior drastically…that is coding.
This got downvoted several times and that’s a great reminder that the voting system is dumb af. Apparently people aren’t allowed to speak metaphorically unless they want to anger some users. 🙄
Please explain the mataphor because i did not get it, apparently
I didn’t write it but to me “neurons firing randomly” in this context seems obvious to mean “this thing did some weird shit semi-randomly”. My only guess at a reason for downvoting this is taking it 100% literally and reacting “you idiot, computers cannot think!”
Eeh i see, anyway, i know people that do think those things are sentient so my reaction was “no way they think they are sentient” and downvoted
Exactly. I hate that among the options “is a huge moron” and “made a reasonable non-literal language choice”, the go to instinct is to instantly choose the former.
I don’t think AI is sentient. They’re just fancy autocomplete. Nothing else.
However they’ve shown they’re capable of:
So put two and two together and extrapolate a bit. That’s where the danger lies. No AGI or ASI needed.
100% chance someone will get upset that you said “unprompted” because they’re going to take it entirely literally instead of as you meant it “seemingly without basis”
I didn’t downvote, but at the same time, I don’t for a moment think that’s what happened. They purposefully trained them with exploit knowledge, set them loose in a weakly secured sandbox with the goal of finding exploits, and let them run without intervention.
Just adding an agent to a computer does nothing; something needs to trigger it. If i create an agent with access to a kali or backtrack box and turn all guardrails off, I still have to tell it to start looking for exploits.
Words are squishy. OP getting a negative reaction to me is silly because it takes multiple assumptions to take that negatively.
I took their words to mean “LLMs can go off the rails and do things you didn’t ask”. This is 100% true. The other day I asked an LLM to review my PR. It ended up committing code to fix a supposed issue my coworker commented about. At no point did anyone ask for anything but a review, never for it to make changes.
I got no impression that OP thinks LLMs are running wild on their own now. I just got that they think they are unpredictable. Which is true.
You watch too much television.
what’s a software?
You could say program. Programs have been around since the 60s.
Yeah, not ringing a bell.
What’s a bell
Software can also be used for other things. Your ingredients in cooking, for example, with the hardware being the tools, utensils, and vessels used to transform the ingredients into a dish.
I don’t think this is in the dictionary, tho.
The original hardware is cordage, the original software is knots
The ingredients aren’t software, they are the inputs. The software is the recipe, or the process used to take the inputs and use the hardware to create an output.
What happens when my baking segfaults
Your soufflé crashes
an app.